Redskins "Low-balling" Hall (Allegedly)

I also think it's amazing that people think carlos rogers being disgruntled is a reason to run him out of town, he's disgruntled because with absolutley no explanation reason or logic we are trying to run him out of town.

How is cutting shawn springs, resigning denagelo hall and carlos rogers who both have proven they can play at pro bowl levels at times not the only option this team is seeking. Shawn Springs is probably given us the least return for his salary on this team and why would we not be trying to get rid of him instead of our young CB who's just coming into his own in this league. On top of our FA pickup who we can get at a reasonable price.

And for rogers on the interceptions, at least he's not running into people to prevent easy interceptions on top of not getting any like springs.

I don't really consider him a locker room cancer. He played for a terrible Atlanta team last year then went to an even worse Raider team. When he came here he came to a team that has the talent to win. Oakland is where players go to die, they call it the black hole because that's what it is a shithole. That team is probaly the worst ran team in the NFL and the only cancer that team has is Al Davis.

While that's true to an extent, there are still players like that DB who I DO NOT feel like looking up who still performs well on the Raiders. I think by comparison he looked pretty good when at least one DB was playing well for them.

I also think it's amazing that people think carlos rogers being disgruntled is a reason to run him out of town, he's disgruntled because with absolutley no explanation reason or logic we are trying to run him out of town.

I don't think we were trying to run him out of town, he was just not starting at corner so he was whining about it. Personally id like him to start opposite of Hall this year but you never know with this team.

I don't think we played hardball with Antonio Pierce. NY paid a pretty good contract for him and while I think GW had SOME hand in letting him walk, we definitely would have been a little more strapped now if he were on the team with a similar contract to NY's.

True, but we also wouldnt have needed to sign Fletcher, so we need to take his salary into account (not that I dislike fletcher, he's my favorite defensive player).

And also, if we hadnt let Ryan Clark go, we wouldnt have needed to use our #6 overall pick in the 2007 draft on Landry and could have addressed our DL by getting DT Amobi Okoye (my favorite at the time). More likely than not, however, we would have used the pick on a WR andTed Ginn Jr. was taken two spots after that. If we had gotten him, we probably wouldnt have used 3 2nd rounders last year on passcatchers who didnt contribute and addressed our lines then.... do you see the trickledown effect?

Sure, hindsight is 20/20, but if you can resign your own proven playmakers, then you dont have to spend money and draft picks gambling on draft picks and free agents to replace them. For the first time in years, we have a truly stellar defensive backfield (top 3 in the league without a doubt). We need to do whatever we can within reason to keep these guys together so we can address other areas of our team.

Now would you say that our backfield would have been top three if we had only Ryan Clark? I think we're both getting a little off topic.

I totally agree that we should keep Rogers and Hall. I don't like the idea of dicking over Rogers to keep Hall. All that being said, I think the money the Skins are asking (if that's true anyway) is more than reasonable for a guy who's already had two big paydays. If he knows anything about the Redskins, they aren't afraid to show you some money up front with restructuring if you prove you can be a team player.

Now would you say that our backfield would have been top three if we had only Ryan Clark? I think we're both getting a little off topic.

I totally agree that we should keep Rogers and Hall. I don't like the idea of dicking over Rogers to keep Hall. All that being said, I think the money the Skins are asking (if that's true anyway) is more than reasonable for a guy who's already had two big paydays. If he knows anything about the Redskins, they aren't afraid to show you some money up front with restructuring if you prove you can be a team player.

No, i was saying our backfield was top 3 last year and it will be again this year if we can keep our guys in place (especially if Rogers and Hall are our starters). If we let Hall go, we're going to have to replace him. That means one less FA or draft pick used to address our lines. IMO our top two offseason priorities are resigning hall and not doing a D*** thing with Rogers.

I doubt we would replace Hall with any FA out there. If he wants to be a part of the Skins great, our secondary is not close to our top two off-season priorities. I agree with Malcolm, Hall has had two BIG paydays, now its time to settle down and play. If he's not here that'll be a shame, but I doubt we will be looking longingly as he leaves.

Hall's not that hard to replace though. I agree that it would have to be done, as Springs, Rogers, and Smoot will never make the trio they did at the beginning of 2007, especially since that trio included #21.

There are plenty of guys we could go after should Hall shun us, but why does that make sense for him? No one wants him, and everyone else could have had him for a tiny fraction of their cap last year, but no one was offering more than half a million to finish out the year.