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tdSKINS1 01-25-2009, 04:58 PM He deserves a second chance he paid his debt to society, its up to the commish to see what happens. If you think he shouldn't be in the league then you obviously have not looked at other athletes who have done just as bad of things as Michael has done and has been let back in the league. Like I said before if you made a mistake wouldn't you want a second opportunity to prove yourself as a better individual. You would! And thats my point
Larry Michael is Satan 01-25-2009, 05:10 PM Not to minimize Vick's crime, but I generally agree with the following Chris Rock quote from election season:
"The crowd went crazy with applause when they showed a big picture of Sarah Palin next to the Moose she just killed, and Mike Vick is saying to himself, 'why am I in jail?'" -Chris Rock
MdBluefinCrab 01-25-2009, 05:24 PM My only question is where was your outrage when Leonard Little killed that woman, served 90 days in jail, and was allowed to play again? Do you even know that the NFL allowed a guy who killed a human being while driving drunk to play again?
Once again, I don't justify Vick, nor do I think he's a good person whatsoever. I'm just sick and tired of people acting like this is the worst thing an NFL player has done (even though his career was ruined and went to jail for a year). Oh and in case someone starts accusing me of being insensitive, I'm a dog owner.
Please people, there are rapist, child molesters, murderers, that b/c they have money are able to get away with their crime, continue with their lives as if nothing happened. Ok, maybe Goodell should ban Vick for another year. But then again, he gave Pacman Jones a chance, so if Jones got a chance, then Vick should.
Sorry but I didn't and still don't know anything about Leonard Little and if I had known, I would have felt that he should be banned for life. I felt the same about Lewis, another thug who got away with murder.
I've been very disappointed in the NFL the past 10 years or so due to the lax atmosphere about letting thugs get away with murder and turning what was once a true sport, into an entertainment business. It's starting to look like the World Wrestling Federation these days, with all of the dancing and individual entertainment by Players who make it all about themselves and the fans fall for it, hook, line and sinker.
I'm not against Vick ever playing again but he still needs to serve his punishment by the NFL. He was one hell of an athlete but not much of a QB. I hope this has made him a better person because it's not going to matter what he does on the football field, it's what he does with his life that matters.
44ever 01-25-2009, 06:10 PM I think all points are valid. And respected. I didn't know about some of the others like lenard lewis either. And I'm glad PAC is gone. Maybe I'm being to hard on Vick. I'll have to consider it a little longer. I just don't want the NFL to become a sport of no integrity or consequences.
As far ad Sarah Palin standing next to the moose she killed. He(Chris Rock) was making his usual ignorant racist (joke) point. Shooting a moose is not against the law. Drowning, electricuting, and hanging dogs to death is. And takes a twisted person to commit such an act. I may be wrong.
Side note: I didn't vote for Palin
skinsfan69 01-25-2009, 09:17 PM Sorry but I didn't and still don't know anything about Leonard Little and if I had known, I would have felt that he should be banned for life. I felt the same about Lewis, another thug who got away with murder.
I've been very disappointed in the NFL the past 10 years or so due to the lax atmosphere about letting thugs get away with murder and turning what was once a true sport, into an entertainment business. It's starting to look like the World Wrestling Federation these days, with all of the dancing and individual entertainment by Players who make it all about themselves and the fans fall for it, hook, line and sinker.
I'm not against Vick ever playing again but he still needs to serve his punishment by the NFL. He was one hell of an athlete but not much of a QB. I hope this has made him a better person because it's not going to matter what he does on the football field, it's what he does with his life that matters.
The evidence showed that Lewis was not the guy stabbing anyone and he was found not guilty of murder cause of a total lack of evidence. It was his two thug friends. Lewis just obstructed justice by lying about what he saw. BIG DIFFERENCE. Leiws was just really stupid and used horrible judgement about who he ran with.
IMO Leonard Little should not be playing in the NFL. He killed someone drinking and driving and then after he killed an innocent women he did it again. Should have a lifetime ban.
skinsfan69 01-25-2009, 09:22 PM If Vick is let back in the NFL then SF should look at all the options cause their QB situation is really bad. Hill is not a 16 game starter and Smith is a total 100% bust. But Vick hasn't even thrown a ball in a few years, hasn't studied any film or seen live action. It's going to take some time for him to get his skills back.
The Goat 01-25-2009, 09:37 PM If Vick is let back in the NFL then SF should look at all the options cause their QB situation is really bad. Hill is not a 16 game starter and Smith is a total 100% bust. But Vick hasn't even thrown a ball in a few years, hasn't studied any film or seen live action. It's going to take some time for him to get his skills back.
the SF situation just highlights there are some really shitty QBs in the league and Vick brings serious talent to the table so you have to believe FOs will look at him. He'd make a great replacement for T-jack in Minnesota. Altogether he'd probably be an instant upgrade at the position for 5-10 teams out there.
firstdown 01-25-2009, 10:11 PM Bit of a side comment, but I own a small painting company and I can't hire anyone with felonies in the past ten years. If I do, my insurances (liability and workers comp) rise. So if I hired a felon then I'd have to pay everyone less because a higher percentage of salaries are going to pay insurance. You are either concerned about people stealing tools, equipment and customers property or injuring customers. I know that "he paid his time" and should be returned to society, but that's not the way most of society works. There are very few industries (entertainment being the obvious exception) where any recent criminal record doesn't hurt your employment. Even if you are hiring him to clean port a johns you don't want to see him on the news being pulled out of your company truck at his next arrest.
That being said, I just don't think he is a very good quarterback and it might have been the best thing to happen to the Falcons that he was sent to jail. However, if he can catch the ball, imagine him returning punts and kickoffs? You know, somewhere else.
I sell Insurance and have never seen that question aboout felons on any applications but I'm in Va so Nc could be different.
Ruhskins 01-25-2009, 10:38 PM Not to minimize Vick's crime, but I generally agree with the following Chris Rock quote from election season:
"The crowd went crazy with applause when they showed a big picture of Sarah Palin next to the Moose she just killed, and Mike Vick is saying to himself, 'why am I in jail?'" -Chris Rock
I think Chris Rock was truly joking. Although I'm sure the same people that demonize Vick were probably not happy about Palin either.
GMScud 01-25-2009, 11:29 PM The evidence showed that Lewis was not the guy stabbing anyone and he was found not guilty of murder cause of a total lack of evidence. It was his two thug friends. Lewis just obstructed justice by lying about what he saw. BIG DIFFERENCE. Leiws was just really stupid and used horrible judgement about who he ran with.
IMO Leonard Little should not be playing in the NFL. He killed someone drinking and driving and then after he killed an innocent women he did it again. Should have a lifetime ban.
Agreed. I'm pretty sure if Little had pulled that shit on Goodell's watch he'd be done for good in football. Tagliabue was pretty soft on discipline.
The fact that he killed someone while drunk driving is awful. The fact that he would drink and drive AFTER that happened is just totally despicable.
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