Cerrato wants more draft picks

Guys really... we've had one season where we know for sure that Vinny is calling the shots, or at least is calling the good majority. Last year's draft class needs another year or two before we can really judge it, and this year call me crazy but I think we'll see a commitment to getting some lineman in here.

while its only been 1 year that he's been "calling the shots" (for sure) he HAS BEEN THERE and therefore given a substantial amount of input. thus far the personal decision that have been made have been sub par. What has he done that makes you think that he's going to do be a good GM(ish)?

I disagree. I think we should judge draft picks within a week of when they were drafted. It's only logical

Right, becuase that is exactly what we did- how foolish of us...if we had only waited until week 2 we could have seen how dominant our picks are...

Might the WRs turn out great? yes. That was never my issue, my issue with the draft is that we took 3 receivers at ALL- we needed youth on the lines and we didn't draft them. instead we drafted "the best (sexiest?) players on the board" who all happened to be receivers (who other -stupid- teams passed on). fact is, only 1 player in our draft did contributed (significantly this year)- and he was a supplemental pick...

Matt, How do you remain so patient & positive in regards to this front office? I have loved this team pretty much since birth and will continue to love it unconditionaly...but I just don't have one ounce of patience left for a front office that involves Vinny. I mean the Chiefs just got Piolli and are talking about Mike Shannahan as coach and we are sitting here with Vinny who I doubt could get a job with any other team in the league.
Well you can run out of patience all you want but it does not do any good because I don't think Snyder comes here to see what fans want to make his decisions. Cerrato has had this job for only onr year so how do we know who was making the calls prior to then. I guess we could bitch about last years first three picks but if what Shawn Spring said is true then we could see big thing from them .

Well you can run out of patience all you want but it does not do any good because I don't think Snyder comes here to see what fans want to make his decisions. Cerrato has had this job for only onr year so how do we know who was making the calls prior to then. I guess we could bitch about last years first three picks but if what Shawn Spring said is true then we could see big thing from them .

this 1 year talk, while true, greatly discounts Vinny's contribution. The guy was not a wallflower, he was a main party to the redskins over the past better part of a decade. Hired in 1999, he helped acquired older big name stars like Bruce Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Smith), Deion Sanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deion_Sanders), Irving Fryar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Fryar), and Mark Carrier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carrier_%28defensive_back%29). He was then fired by Marty Schottenheimer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Schottenheimer) in 2001 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Washington_Redskins_season). After a brief stint as an ESPN (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN) college analyst Cerrato was rehired by Snyder 2002 as the Director of Player Personnel and was named Vice President of Football Operations in 2008.
Do we REALLY believe he had little to do with the teams consistently poor draft, trading and free agency decisions?

BRO YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME THEN JUST SAY IT. Oh wait you did. lol. Anyway the thing I was trying draw attention to was the overkill on recievers with high picks. Despite the fact that among other things they could easily have gotten a nice number 2 tight end in 2007 with Ben Patrick (projected 3rd round by Mike Mayock), however we decided to go after Jordan Palmer only to cut him. All the while Patrick is providing decent production for Arizona including that nice two point conversion against the Eagles (Keep in mind the guy averages only 14.5 ypg but thats definately more then we got from Davis).

However among other things I do very much agree that the jury is still out. My fear is that as you go down the draft the number of quality tackles decreases at a much quicker rate. Very rarely will you see a guy like Joe Staley last as long as he did, and I wouldn't bank on finding the next Marcus McNeil or Tony Ugoh in the second round.

Right now all I want is for the team to sit pretty at 13 and take Michael Oher or BJ Rali. Preferably Oher because we need more help at Tackle and Tackles usually have an easier time coming in and contributing. Then follow that up with the best available guard or center. Find a quality depth guy in the 5th thats capable of collapsing the pocket, and then look for a special teams guy that might eventually become a servicealbe OLB.

To me that would be a wonderful draft.

Of course as said before I will not be surprised to see the team with a new running back, outside linebacker, and corner come draft day.
I actually agree with you DIRTBAG. I want to sit at #13 as well and take Oher. He will be a starter for 12 years. Then I think the center position should be addressed in round 3. and DL in round 5. But what about a place kicker. Do we go out and get one in free agency or do you draft the best avail. Place kickers are always over looked and are boy Suisham isn't cutting it.

Let me offer a couple of POSITIVE suggestions for how the Skins might get more draft picks for 2009:

1. Don't trade up on draft day; trade down if you do any trading at all.

2. If any other team gives an offer sheet to a restricted free agent, take the draft picks and let the RFA go.

3. If you get any compensatory picks in the draft, don't waste them in trading scenarios.

4. If any team approaches the Skins wanting to trade for just about any player on the roster, listen carefully and try to get as many draft picks as possible in the deal. There shouldn't be more than a half-dozen "untouchable" players on the team [Remember, they missed the playoffs after all so the roster isn't exactly overloaded with top-shelf talent.]

5. MOST IMPORTANTLY: When considering trades where you get picks for players given the needs of the team in 2009, it is BETTER to get two second round picks than one first round pick. It might even be better to get a second and a third than a single first round pick.


All of this advice works ON THE ASSUMPTION that the scouts have done their job well and the people who have designed the draft board have done their job well AND the "football novices" in the organization are busy off doing other chores. :bdh:

I believe compensatory picks cannot be traded. Other than that I agree with your points. I do think the the only "untouchable" players would be those who would have big cap implications if we were to trade them.

I was curious to know do we have any RFAs? I think someone mentioned Golston. Anyone else?

I actually agree with you DIRTBAG. I want to sit at #13 as well and take Oher. He will be a starter for 12 years. Then I think the center position should be addressed in round 3. and DL in round 5. But what about a place kicker. Do we go out and get one in free agency or do you draft the best avail. Place kickers are always over looked and are boy Suisham isn't cutting it.

We had a kid with a big league leg at the HS I teach at. He is down at South Carolina now and red shirted this season. From what his dad was telling me at game this year, the kicking coach told him there are hundreds of guys with legs who could kick in the NFL, but only about 50 have the head for it. Based on that, I would rather bring in a bunch of guys and assess them than waste a draft pick on one.

More picks seem a luxury at this point. We need a franchise tackle to solidify the other side of the line (opposite Samuels) and we're more likely, maybe far more likely, to get that @ 13 than bottom of the first or into the second round. What we did last year seemed ok and of course we have to wait and see how our top three picks develop, but trading away your 1st round talent opportunity year after year is a recipe for longterm mediocrity IMHO. It can't just be about grabbing more youth... top talent is necessary to be a great team.
I personally am glad to hear Vinny talk this way. Everything begins with a thought, so at least he's starting to think right. I just hope he doesn't go from one extreme to another. As Goat and SmootSmack pointed out, a group of young mediocre players makes for a young mediocre team. I think he's on the right track and maybe the voice of the fan has been heard.

I looked at the stats the one guy showed for drafts in each yr and noticed that we kept 3 players from 2007 and 4 from 2008 class. All the other yrs we kept maybe 1 or 2 players. So my two major concerns with the team are maybe not so much Vinny(although he does help decide if we should hire them) as it is ...player evaluation, and player develpement. If Vinny is the culprit then why do we have like 4-5 people hired to evaluate players and still can't get decent talent from the draft to as Vinny put it "stock pile" young guys.

My second concern about player development maybe more in line of the coach's. I'll agree Gibbs new his time was limited and needed to have the win now mentality and true with Zorn we really can take our time but with out decent coaching we will not have player development. Maybe Buges can turn his situation around considering he had a family issue last yr but I can't help but voice my displeasure with Hixon. Look at all the WR's brought in and he could not develope one? and if they are all garbage then fire the player evaluaters cause they suck also. It's either the coach for not developing them or the evaluaters for not evaluating talent. pick your poison.

I'm not riding Vinny's jock just really wondering if the Vinny and Snyder are really listening to the player evaluaters and picking according to what they say or is it Vinny/Snyder completely ignore their ideas and pick off the wall. If we are going to say Vinny must go can we throw out the evaluaters also since they seem to suck.

Man our scouts are trash, otherwise we wouldn't have all these young guys that aren't doin' nothing (talkin' about 2007 draft and earlier).