firstdown
01-12-2009, 11:25 PM
I remember all of the Grilliams drama, but I still don't see where he was (as Emmitt Smith would say) travestied. He didn't get the job. He interviewed for it and obviously they saw something in the 4 years he was here to make them not assured he was the man they wanted. He proceeded to be one and done in Jacksonville with a TON of talent on defense.
If Zorn doesn't make it, I believe that will be the sign that Snyder will finally recognize that his way isn't working and he will give full reign and control to Shanahan (because Cowher and Holmgren aren't coming here) and back away.
So you talked to Coward and Holmgren and they told you this or its is something that you made up based on nothing.
SmootSmack
01-12-2009, 11:27 PM
He's far from being in their class. Mason is a fine WR, don't get me wrong, but that's like comparing a top end Hyundai to a Baby Bentley.
hey wasn't a Hyundai just voted car of the year? :)
PennSkinsFan
01-12-2009, 11:31 PM
I'm glad these kinds of threads are back, takes some of the heat of Zorn and Campbell, lol.
Hey, we try! We are trying to bring some great content that generates great discussion from all view points. Over 100 replies in one day. Excellent job Warpath!
SmootSmack
01-12-2009, 11:34 PM
If we're going to talk about possible 2010 candidates (which is probably a discussion for another thread on another day), I put Brian Billick near the top of the list
firstdown
01-12-2009, 11:34 PM
"Gibbs has to take some of the responsibility"! JG only led the Skins to the playoffs twice in 4 years here. How many of Snyder's other coaches can say that? How many can say they even lasted 4 years here for that matter?
The fact that Gibbs came up one game shy of making the NFC Championship under Snyder is a testiment to Joe's coaching genius.
But you are right that there are GMs availiable who could do a better job than "Dan the Man":pffff:. Reece would be a big upgrade to whoever is running the show. Or someone from the Patriots FO. Really anyone who would tell Snyder "Butt out, sign the checks and let me do what I was hired
for." Sadly that will never happen because Snyder would never hire someone who would do that.
Another reason why Cerrato is the only GM who Danny boy want to work with. Cerrato has shown some idea of what he is doing but has not shown the testicular fortitude to tell our beloved dictator to handle the financial side and he'll do the football part.
The same genius who had to have Brunell?
celts32
01-12-2009, 11:41 PM
If we're going to talk about possible 2010 candidates (which is probably a discussion for another thread on another day), I put Brian Billick near the top of the list
Is that just an opinion or do you have reasons to believe he would be a candidate? Not a big fan of Billick.
SmootSmack
01-12-2009, 11:42 PM
Is that just an opinion or do you have reasons to believe he would be a candidate? Not a big fan of Billick.
A little both, more the former. Much more the former actually.
FRPLG
01-12-2009, 11:49 PM
True Gibbs had final say but he was still deciding off of recomendations from his scouting department that was run by Vinny. If you recomend 3 bad ideas to me and I pick one then who's fault was it really?
Gibbs is a great coach but he never had a track record of good personel decisions...his biggest mistake in the 2nd go around was not insisting that Danny get him a real GM. But in truth Gibbs probably felt he could do it and was comfortable not having a GM on more equal footing with him like inthe old days.
No. That is not how scouting works. Scouts are synthesizers. They watch thousands of plays and put together portfolios on players. They eliminate obvious "no"s and highlite obvious "yes"s. It is then up to the decision makers to poor over the synthesized data and watch pertinent film. VC probably had recomendatory responsibilities but in all reality does anyone think JG just let VC tell him who to pick? If that was the case then I lose a lot of respect for him. I doubt it worked that way though.
tryfuhl
01-13-2009, 01:45 AM
You really liked your own points in that article.
irish
01-13-2009, 08:01 AM
Just my opinion, but Cowher is VERY close to Schottenhiemer, mentor-type relationship. Nuff said there.
For Holmgren to come, Snyder would have to have just fired Zorn. That's pretty cold, to take over a team your boy just got fired from.
Shanahan has the name, the resume, the status, the repiutation, the ego and the greed to be a perfect fit.
There is an interesting piece in Sports Illustrated about how the smart choice in NFL coaching does not seem to the recycled "name' coach anymore. Looking at the successful playoff teams they are new breed coaches not retreads that have come out of retirement. I think canning Zorn and hiring a retread like Shannahan or Holmgren would be a mistake and current history seems to bear this out.