OG and OC are bigger needs than OT

I've been on the Duke Bandwagon too. Are any of the offensive linemen from the Gators up for the draft? I don't think that I can say yay or nay on Duke over one game. It was the big game though and it has caused me some doubt. At one point they did take him out of the game but he did return. I was looking forward to seeing how Duke and Phil did but I must admit that I fell asleep during the first quarter and didn't wake up until the third?

I do happen to agree with you on this one. Nothing the Redskins could run last year went between the Guards because Thomas and Rabach were awful. It's a bigger immediate need than OT.

If we don't add an OT in the draft this year, I have to imagine Jansen would stay at RT. He's not horrible, but he doesn't limit your playcalling like Heyer does. Heyer's pass protection form is well beyond his years, but he's still very, very raw and possibly not ready to start in the NFL, without serious improvement in the offseason. Jansen is meh, and great OLB/DE hybrids are going to kill him for the rest of his career, but he's fine if we can't upgrade the position with, say, Jordan Gross.

Jansen was our third best offensive lineman in 2008, so I don't really understand all the hate.

Third on one of the crappiest offensive lines in the league is nothing to get excited about. We need a RT. Jansen is done at RT. He has no lateral mobility and is easily beat by anyone with average speed. And Heyer is not ready and there is no reason to believe at this point he will be a good RT.

And having a TE stay back to help is not the answer. This just limits the offense even more.

I'd like to see us trade down to add more picks. Excellent O linemen can be found in rounds 2 & 3 without reaching. Charlie Casserly drafted both Tre Johnson and John Jansen as 2nd rounders once upon a time.

Third on one of the crappiest offensive lines in the league is nothing to get excited about. We need a RT. Jansen is done at RT. He has no lateral mobility and is easily beat by anyone with average speed. And Heyer is not ready and there is no reason to believe at this point he will be a good RT.

And having a TE stay back to help is not the answer. This just limits the offense even more.Good points. I mean, just because we could do worse than sucking it up and putting Jansen back at RT next year doesn't mean we necessarily should if a better option is staring us in the face.

Of course, watching Vinny botch the WR situation last offseason, you'd have to think that even if a better option does stare us in the face, we'd go forward with Jansen anyway.

Good points. I mean, just because we could do worse than sucking it up and putting Jansen back at RT next year doesn't mean we necessarily should if a better option is staring us in the face.

Of course, watching Vinny botch the WR situation last offseason, you'd have to think that even if a better option does stare us in the face, we'd go forward with Jansen anyway.

I have zero faith in Vinny and to be honest it wouldn't surprise me one bit if we drafted another receiver with the 13th pick.

Good points. I mean, just because we could do worse than sucking it up and putting Jansen back at RT next year doesn't mean we necessarily should if a better option is staring us in the face.

Of course, watching Vinny botch the WR situation last offseason, you'd have to think that even if a better option does stare us in the face, we'd go forward with Jansen anyway.

Everyones points here are valid - we all see different holes on our team, especially the lines, and it seems we all have different opinions on what needs to be fixed first...

More and more, i am becoming convinced that this team is several years away from being a contender. Several years away likely means Zorn may not be the head coach by the time we have the proper personnel to be a true competitor. Zorn possibly not being the head coach in 2-3 years means its important to get players that will be really good in any system.

For this reason, I think we would be very wise to invest our 1st and 3rd round picks in the best offensive linemen on the board. For the most part, a guard is a guard, a tackle is a tackle, and a center is a center. If the guy is really good, you can put him in any offensive system and they can have success. On the other hand, with players in the defensive front 7, the system you run is much more important to the players success. the types of DLs and LBs you select depend largely on whether you run a 3-4 or 4-3.

I don't see Vinny drafting a O lineman in the 1st round. He hasn't had that much success (other than Dockerry). I expect him to trade down and get more picks, draft a DE in the mid 20's and maybe look at a OG in the second round.

Zorn possibly not being the head coach in 2-3 years means its important to get players that will be really good in any system.Ah yes, the entire key to the NFL draft. I'm being serious though, the draft gets complicated for teams who try to nitpick early on and select system guys rather than fundamentally sound prospects they can build a team around.

The past few years we have learned that Vinny doesn't give a damn about our real needs (O line D Line) he looks for the flashy player that will pack the crowds at FedEx turn. Thats why I see us drafting Taylor Mays or trading down to draft an OLB later in the first.

Said it here first if we stay at 13 S Taylor Mays will be our pick.

The past few years we have learned that Vinny doesn't give a damn about our real needs (O line D Line) he looks for the flashy player that will pack the crowds at FedEx turn. Thats why I see us drafting Taylor Mays or trading down to draft an OLB later in the first.

Said it here first if we stay at 13 S Taylor Mays will be our pick.

I agree with you. Like I said previously, it wouldn't surprise me at all if a flashy WR is available at 13 he will be a Redskin.