Brees named AP offensive player of year

The definitions of the two awards are different. Offensive Player of the Year is given based almost solely on statistics. Under that logic, Brees and his 5000 yard season definitely gets the nod.

The definition of MVP is debatable, but most voters tend to weigh heavily on the importance of the player to his team. So it's a different thought process.
i agree, but it is turning into a joke. what would the skins record be without Clinton Portis? or London Fletcher? the saints are probably a 4 win team without Brees

i agree, but it is turning into a joke. what would the skins record be without Clinton Portis? or London Fletcher? the saints are probably a 4 win team without Brees

I don't think we have had any one player with impressive stats to be either defensive or offensive player of the year. Brees had the stats and won offensive player of the year. Manning singlehandedly carried his team to a good record and the playoffs, so he's the most valuable player in a team that made the playoffs.

I don't see how any of these awards are turning into a joke. Now Pro Bowl selections, those are jokes.

I think value to a team can be measured two ways.

The way I would measure it for the MVP is by play. Peyton Manning deserved this award because he was more valuable on a play-by-play basis than Drew Brees was. Literally having more value, because plays where he had the ball in his hands were worth more points, or yards, or wins or whatever measure you prefer than Brees' were.

Brees deserved offensive POY because he was a larger part of his teams' offense than Manning was of his. Not more valuable, necessarily, but ended up doing more (a higher quantity) of winning plays than Manning did, simply by virtue of oppertunity.

And I agree that in a bunch of years, these will often be the same player. But Brees threw 650+ times for more than 5,000 yards. Even though he wasn't as valuable as Manning, I have no problem at all with them deeming him the offensive player of the year.

Of course, in reality, these awards aren't nearly as well defined as I just made them, so they pretty much eliminate the MVP from consideration in the Offensive POY.

Well, Manning led a team with an average defense and no running game on a 9 game winning streak, despite coming off pretty serious knee surgery that kept him out of training camp and had him hobbled the first few weeks of the regular season.

But Manning's stats don't really measure up with Brees this year. Brees was like 15 yards away from breaking the single season passing record. He torches everyone. I think if the Saints hadn't finished last in their division and made the playoffs, Brees would have been MVP.Brees was also intercepted on the road with a Favre-ian kind of efficiency, so I think Manning was more valuable by virtue of that.

Manning might have been better per attempt as well, though I really don't want to look it up right now. Any QB who throws as many times as Brees did with put up an obscene amount of yards...given though, that 5,000 yards is far beyond obscene.

The NFL MVP award really needs to be awarded after the playoffs. The most important part of the season has not even been played yet. The level of play increases in the playoffs. Playoffs are a better test of the superior level of play of a certain player.
The fact that Ed Reed, Troy Polomalu or another defensive player was not even mentioned as a possible finalist makes it just like the Heisman award in college.....a QB award.

Damn, Devin Thomas got jobbed.

All I hear these days is Devin Thomas got screwed, Devin Thomas this, Devin Thomas that. What I don't understand is how theres no love for our true #1 reciever Anthony Mix?