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Schneed10 03-10-2009, 10:20 AM My gut (which seems to grow larger with each passing day) tells me we may not address RT at all in FA or with a significant draft pick. I think our line will stay very much like it is and Heyer or Jansen will likely start opening day. I think our first two picks will be DE and LB, but not necessarily in that order. I know i have no facts to base this on, other than comments from the park about Heyer and Jansen competing for the RT starting spot and the fact we are sitting on our hands and not doing much of anything to address DE and LB, other than offering (likely) vet min contracts to Daniels and Wynn.
I hope not, because that would mean an epic failure of an attempt at protecting JC adequately. Of course if we get a stud pass rusher out of that deal then I'd complain a lot less. If Vinny doesn't go RT at 13 then he BETTER hit and hit big on whatever he does choose.
freddyg12 03-10-2009, 10:55 AM Look at it this way. I heard the Cowpukes are 22 under right now but haven't really picked up anyone. Seeing how most of the good FA are gone they'll not be able to do much even with all of that money.
they just signed the DE from SD - Olshansky(sp?), but it looks like they didn't try to re-sign Canty to save space for Ware. Maybe that's their plan, but WAre's agent is holding off to see what happens w/the cba next year.
Haynesworths' deal definitely jacked up what JJ will have to offer Ware.
BigHairedAristocrat 03-10-2009, 11:33 AM I hope not, because that would mean an epic failure of an attempt at protecting JC adequately. Of course if we get a stud pass rusher out of that deal then I'd complain a lot less. If Vinny doesn't go RT at 13 then he BETTER hit and hit big on whatever he does choose.
I'm personally hoping for a stud LT with the 13th pick, but I could see the logic behind addressing the defensive holes on our team this year.
1) If Stephon Heyer does have the ability to be a long-term solution at RT, it would be a better use of our resources.
2) Right now, weve got a great defense and an offense that - theoretically should be much better its 2nd year, especially if last years 2nd rounders step up.
3) If we did get Ray Maualuga at 13 and he becomes the next Ray Lewis as many predict, then he would have more of an impact on our defense than any RT could have on our offense.
I guess it comes down to: do we want to put all our eggs in one basket and have a the most dominant defense in the NFL while having an average offense (Ravens) OR do we want to have a great defense and a slightly above-average offense (Titans)?
The way i see it, this team is really two years away from being able to fill all its holes - no matter what Vinny does, we're going to be somewhat thin at 2 of our three main areas of need (DE, LB, OT) when the 2009 season starts. However, if we make the right choices at hit big at 13 like you say, whatever needs arent addressed this year can be addresssed in the 2010 draft - assuming we dont trade more picks away of course.
jdlea 03-10-2009, 11:45 AM I hope not, because that would mean an epic failure of an attempt at protecting JC adequately. Of course if we get a stud pass rusher out of that deal then I'd complain a lot less. If Vinny doesn't go RT at 13 then he BETTER hit and hit big on whatever he does choose.
I think that's the most important thing, if we're going to take a RT, he's gotta be ready to play. If he can't step right in and make Heyer a backup, this year will look a lot like the end of last season. Jason barely had time to finish his dropback a lot of times before he was getting smothered. This team needs to get better protecting the Q and that's gotta come from the O Line.
I would even go so far as to say that if we take a 1st round tackle, maybe he should move Chris Samuels. I think that would sure up the line a whole lot if the rook could be close to what Samuels was, that'd a huge upgrade to the line.
I also think that bringing back Dockery will really help the O Line, but C, RG, and RT are all still a concern. We have to go for one of those high in this year's draft, IMHO.
BigHairedAristocrat 03-10-2009, 12:00 PM I think that's the most important thing, if we're going to take a RT, he's gotta be ready to play. If he can't step right in and make Heyer a backup, this year will look a lot like the end of last season. Jason barely had time to finish his dropback a lot of times before he was getting smothered. This team needs to get better protecting the Q and that's gotta come from the O Line.
I would even go so far as to say that if we take a 1st round tackle, maybe he should move Chris Samuels. I think that would sure up the line a whole lot if the rook could be close to what Samuels was, that'd a huge upgrade to the line.
I also think that bringing back Dockery will really help the O Line, but C, RG, and RT are all still a concern. We have to go for one of those high in this year's draft, IMHO.
Just to play devils advocate, i think the interior of our line was far weaker than the OT positions last year. Weve already upgraded there by getting Dock. Heyer never got much of a chance to play RT, so if he's on one end and Samuels is on the other, then our OL should be significantly better than it was last year. I'm not saying RT isnt a glaring weakness, but just pointing out that we've already put ourselves in a position where JC should have better protection (assuming everyone stays healthy).
That said, I agree with you that any OT we take needs to be able to start this year. If we take Oher, he has he potential to start at LT immediately for us, moving Samuels to RT... if that happened, our line would be pretty dominant if Thomas can hold it together one more year.
jdlea 03-10-2009, 12:04 PM Just to play devils advocate, i think the interior of our line was far weaker than the OT positions last year. Weve already upgraded there by getting Dock. Heyer never got much of a chance to play RT, so if he's on one end and Samuels is on the other, then our OL should be significantly better than it was last year. I'm not saying RT isnt a glaring weakness, but just pointing out that we've already put ourselves in a position where JC should have better protection (assuming everyone stays healthy).
That said, I agree with you that any OT we take needs to be able to start this year. If we take Oher, he has he potential to start at LT immediately for us, moving Samuels to RT... if that happened, our line would be pretty dominant if Thomas can hold it together one more year.
For the record, I do agree with this assertion, but there isn't an interior lineman I would take at 13. We could move out, but I don't feel like dealing with trade scenarios right now. I believe that might be the best option, but operating under the assumption we pick at 13, I don't think there's any C I would take that high (ever), but there could be a great T on the board when we come up, so I'd go that direction.
EDIT: In looking at it we could get the 22 and the 54 from Minnesota based on points (we'd be giving away 10). Where (according to Todd McShay) we could go Mack, Unger, Britton, or Meredith. (I'd probably go with Mack) and then in the 2nd round hope that one of the other 3 fall to you. I really can't see any of the other 3 making it to 54, though, so we'd have to with a lesser T, if we took one.
GTripp0012 03-10-2009, 12:13 PM Definitely agree with that point. It's all on Zorn to get this offense up to speed, and then it's up to JC to take another step forward. I'm really not overly concerned about the defense, the offense on the other hand needs to put up some points.It's because of this that I'm more worried about the defense than the offense. The stars are in place on offense, we just needed to plug in the gaps and add depth. Right now, Haynesworth is the entire front seven on defense (whether Fletch can remain a factor I think is dependent on the big guy in front of him). We lost two of our most talented players on defense, two of our biggest stars made cap casulties, and even at age 31, Washington was no slouch himself either.
I hate our current options at RT. Heyer has a lot to prove and Jansen's best days are behind him.
GTripp0012 03-10-2009, 12:35 PM Yeah, but I actually think the bigger issue at tackle is that we're even more heavily reliant on Samuels now than we were at this time last year, and he's going to be 32 before the season. If we land one of the big four, we have a guy who could theoretically handle the LT position for 2-3 weeks if Samuels is hurt.
The current lineup just offers Heyer and Jansen as bookends should Samuels get hurt. That, is the disaster.
We need to grab an LT prospect to give the line some depth, if nothing else.
SmootSmack 03-10-2009, 12:36 PM Alfred Fincher is back (not sure for how much though)
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