Current Redskins Salary Cap Status - 2009

Going to bed as to save a flight of stairs from DirtyLandry.

If I wake up to any form of Ola Kimrin news, your flight of stairs is mine.

Nothing is more front-loaded than a signing bonus, from the player's perspective. The Bucs can do something ridiculous and give him a 40 million dollar roster bonus payable in 2009, and the Skins could match with their own 40 million SB, which gets prorated over the first 5 years of the deal.

Except because they are the Redskins, they'd structure it so he gets $20 million in 2009 and $20 million in 2010, both bonuses, fully guaranteed. The net cap result in 2009 is 4 million prorated SB plus his salary (likely 2-3 million). Albert gets 40 million to spend, the Skins put it on the books as six million.

Meanwhile, Tampa has it on the books as 40 million in 2009 (in this pie in the sky scenario).

Haynesworth sees it as the same money, and signs where he wants to play (in this case, here).

this won't work. gauranteed money in a capless year counts fully in 2009, so that deal would count 26$mill in 2009.

we can still give him 35$mill SB and 100mill$, but his 2009 number (due to the 30% rule and various bonus clauses for capless years) is going to be about 12mill minimum. 4mill for hall is ridiculous low too, he won't come here for that, (cause with the 40% rule that means it'd be like a 5 year 24mill deal with 15mill SB which i think would be illegal as far as salary/SB ratio (thanks to deion)).

that still leaves us enough space to sign an OL FA of decent quality and hall, sign our rookies and our UFA/RFAs, and maybe even add a stopgap (1-1.5mill) LB.

taylor and springs are both going to have to go though if we want to sign two ~6mill FAs (hall and OL guy).

after all that the money will be REAL tight.

I'd up the projected tenders a half million for Monty and Golston each. The 2nd round tender has been set at 1.5 million.

Don't know where I heard it, but I heard today that Suisham's 1.0 tender has been offered and accepted. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

Well I'm not the missing link, but I can vouch for your Suisham comment. I heard the same thing

This is the worst tourcher for me ever, I am literally like an hour from getting on a bus and starting basic training, and it is gonna take me a while to find out what happened with Haynesworth and Hall! Hail to the Skins, and I will begin posting in 9 weeks!!!!

Help me through this... been reading some articles today that say TB is so far below the floor they need to throw a ton of money somewhere and a massive front-loaded(?) contract for big Al made the most sense. What stops them from doing this in order to get the guy they want?

No top tier free agent is going to sign with Tampa, not one who wants a shot at a title anytime soon. The just blew up their defensive core and don't have a quaterback. It would take Haynesworth and his agent to be high off their asses to sign there.

I have no idea how the Redskins or WHY the redskins continue to rework contracts of older players (samuels, griffin, Randel el ect). all this does is just create problems down the road, over paying for over the hill talent. Hayneworth is going to get upwards of 12 to 15 million a year. We dont have the room to do this. The Post says we were still over the cap last week even with reworking contracts again. This crap is getting old. This is why we dont have money to sign decent depth to our team and why we continue to let quality players leave and sign players that dont do shit while they are here. We want to go after Canty from dallas??? He would fill the role of Evans....so why even go after him?? He is a great locker room guy, the guys really like and respect him. This to me is one of the typical Redskin errors.

I tried to look backwards but could not figure it out. Do your numbers count on us cutting either JT or SS? or are we able to try for AH even if we keep both? Thanks guys

this won't work. gauranteed money in a capless year counts fully in 2009, so that deal would count 26$mill in 2009.

we can still give him 35$mill SB and 100mill$, but his 2009 number (due to the 30% rule and various bonus clauses for capless years) is going to be about 12mill minimum. 4mill for hall is ridiculous low too, he won't come here for that, (cause with the 40% rule that means it'd be like a 5 year 24mill deal with 15mill SB which i think would be illegal as far as salary/SB ratio (thanks to deion)).

that still leaves us enough space to sign an OL FA of decent quality and hall, sign our rookies and our UFA/RFAs, and maybe even add a stopgap (1-1.5mill) LB.

taylor and springs are both going to have to go though if we want to sign two ~6mill FAs (hall and OL guy).

after all that the money will be REAL tight.

I disagree. JLC is reporting $15 million in guarantees is the ballpark for Hall. Going off that, no matter what length a deal you give him, you can only allocate that over 5 years. So the guarantee would count $3.0 million in 2009.

But you could still get around the 30% rule with an adequately lengthy contract, perhaps 6-8 years, allowing you to grow base salaries and include unguaranteed option bonuses in the out years. Perhaps the base salary in 2009 would have to be $1.5 million in order to keep with 30%, but I can't see it needing to be much higher than that. The absolute max cap hit for Hall would be $5.0 million, and I think closer to $4.0 is realistic given the 'Skins' ability to restructure/extend their other guys.

No top tier free agent is going to sign with Tampa, not one who wants a shot at a title anytime soon. The just blew up their defensive core and don't have a quaterback. It would take Haynesworth and his agent to be high off their asses to sign there.

Money talks, especially big money

I tried to look backwards but could not figure it out. Do your numbers count on us cutting either JT or SS? or are we able to try for AH even if we keep both? Thanks guys

The way the math works out for me, we can keep both JT and Springs, and still afford to grab Haynesworth, resign Hall, tender the guys important to us, and still MAYBE have room for some OL or LB depth.