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Daseal 01-05-2009, 10:07 AM OL is safe, I'm talking about Dline being unsafe. However, 13 is a BAD spot to draft an Olineman. Unless we need an LT (which we don't) there's no reason to spend that high of a pick on a guard, center, or RT. Also, Ruhskins -- the guys you mentioned were all what -- top 3 picks? There's a world of difference between a top 3 LT and a 13th LT.
Jake2008 01-05-2009, 10:36 AM OL is safe, I'm talking about Dline being unsafe. However, 13 is a BAD spot to draft an Olineman. Unless we need an LT (which we don't) there's no reason to spend that high of a pick on a guard, center, or RT. Also, Ruhskins -- the guys you mentioned were all what -- top 3 picks? There's a world of difference between a top 3 LT and a 13th LT.
IMO if you can get a guard, center or RT that we can plug in our line for 8-10 years then I would do it in a minute. Any pick is risky. How many supposedly 'stud' players have been taken in the first round who never pan out? It is a gamble. So unless there is some can't miss player then we need to draft to shore up our major weaknesses.
30gut 01-05-2009, 11:03 AM Ideally, in my perfect world, we trade down and get a solid offensive lineman. Someone like say...Duke Robinson. And a second round pick
Yeah, if we could trade down to a later pick and pick up a second round pick that would be sweet.
If we traded down we could probably still find a decent OT or maybe take the best player available like Knowshon Moreno or Brian Orakpo (according to McShay's crazy mock he'll still be available)
I'm not sure our lack of pass rush is just a personel issue but our DE are getting old and c'mon Orakpo is a monster!
But in the 2nd round i would look for a Center.
Here are my reasons
- i think we have less need at Guard with Kendall and Rinehart (i'm assuming Kendall stays and the Rinehart kids gonna play)
- last year the Colts drafted 3 centers. *I'm guessing here but i think their logic is that most centers should be able to play guard, but a guard would have a more difficult time switching to center.
- Nothing against Rabach but if we could find a more stout center, one that could do a better job against the Ratliffs of the league our entire line would be
better IMO
centers: Alex Mack, Max Unger
I agree though that 13 is too high for any linemen really, best as I can tell from the talent in the upper echelons of the draft. That spot though is prime for a stud LB. Problem is though it probably needs to be Brian Cushing and 13 may even be too high for him. Mauluaga and Luarianitis (sp? of both) are probably better. But both are inside linebackers and it's going to be hard to convince the fans that it made sense to spend the first pick on a player who is going to (most likely) sit on the bench behind Fletcher for a year or two.
Rey Mauluaga is a beast i don't think he would sit if we drafted him, b/c Washington is likely gone or gonna be injured. I think RM or JL could fill in at SAM until Fletcher passes the MLB torch to them. I think Rey and Laurianitis are franchise caliber LBs and finding a place to play one of them with Fletcher and Rocky would be a good problem to have.
KI Skins Fan 01-05-2009, 11:09 AM Someone mentioned that he (Chris Samuels) could be moved to RT. I think that would be ideal in a year or two. For now he's still a solid LT when healthy.
Yes, I mentioned moving him to RT but I didn't mean to suggest that he shouldn't be playing LT. Nevertheless, we need to improve our OL now and I think that the best FA OT is Jordan Gross, who is a LT. If we were able to sign Gross, why not try to extend Chris Samuels' career by moving him to RT?
The Skins did that with Joe Jacoby when they got Jim Lachey. That worked out fine.
I also like the Idea of going after Stacy Andrews in FA. Right now, Stacy is playing RT. If we were to sign Stacy, then Chris would remain at LT.
What the heck, let's sign Gross and Andrews! Andrews might be a beast at G.
30gut 01-05-2009, 11:21 AM I'll try to answer your questions.
Wouldn't it be nice if we actually got to see guys Rinehart, Geisinger and Clark play? We would have a much better understanding of the true state of our offensive line.
Only the second lineup does anything for me at all. This is what I would like to see: LT - FA Jordan Gross, LG - Kendall to start the season, then Rookie (Duke Robinson?) taking over, C - Rabach, RG - Rinehart, RT - Samuels
I would prefer to see the Skins address the offensive line soley via draft.
Gross would be a nice addition but he's no spring chicken at 28 and he probably wouldn't come cheap.
vallin21 01-05-2009, 02:14 PM Wouldn't it be nice if we actually got to see guys Rinehart, Geisinger and Clark play? We would have a much better understanding of the true state of our offensive line.
I would prefer to see the Skins address the offensive line soley via draft.
Gross would be a nice addition but he's no spring chicken at 28 and he probably wouldn't come cheap.
Gross is going to get alot and we already have our LT in Sameuls.
09 Projected
LT Samuels
LG Reinhardt
C 3rd draft pick
RG Thomas
RT Heyer
Our main need is on the line but I see us taking a DT with #13
redskinjim 01-05-2009, 02:27 PM [QUOTE=The Goat;517810]Looks as though a consensus is forming that Randy Thomas won't be starting again.[/QUOTErandy was our best o lineman but he seems in decline since he got hurt
BigHairedAristocrat 01-05-2009, 02:50 PM Randy Thomas is making an obscene amount of money next year. I'd be shocked if he's not starting. I am 99% sure we bring Kendall back next year. His play was solid all year. Assuming Samuels and Thomas come back healthy, in all likelyhood, this will be our line next year:
Samuels-Kendall-Rabach(or anew guy)-Thomas-Jansen/Heyer
Rinehart will be our primary backup at both G positions and our #4 T.
30gut 01-05-2009, 03:39 PM Gross is going to get alot and we already have our LT in Sameuls.
09 Projected
LT Samuels
LG Reinhardt
C 3rd draft pick
RG Thomas
RT Heyer
Our main need is on the line but I see us taking a DT with #13
I think that ^^ line wouldn't be much better then the line we had last year.
Dude where's Pete??
When you consider that Pete played well and stayed healthy all year, i'd say he was our best lineman last year.
Why would you want to bring back Thomas who struggled and is having offseason surgery?
A defensive tackle at pick 13? Why?
30gut 01-05-2009, 03:44 PM Randy Thomas is making an obscene amount of money next year. I'd be shocked if he's not starting. I am 99% sure we bring Kendall back next year. His play was solid all year. Assuming Samuels and Thomas come back healthy, in all likelyhood, this will be our line next year:
Samuels-Kendall-Rabach(or anew guy)-Thomas-Jansen/Heyer
Rinehart will be our primary backup at both G positions and our #4 T.
How is this line an improvement?
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