Questions that might effect the DRAFT

However it plays out, we are going to need to replace 50% of our line in the next 3-4 seasons. Maybe before that if the injury bug keeps hitting us. We are going to need young bodies and fresh talent. Buges and Zorn are going to have to figure something out.

I hope that we don't have to draft a lineman with the 13th pick.

If the solutions to the offensive line issues can be solved in house, we could use the 13th pick to draft the best defensive player available thus bolstering our strongest unit or trade down and take 2 players.

I would love to see Brian Orakpo fall to the 13th

or trade down and land Rey Maualuga or BJ Raji

Looks as though a consensus is forming that Randy Thomas won't be starting again.

Looks as though a consensus is forming that Randy Thomas won't be starting again.

I thought Randy was one of the weak links on the offensive line.

I also would like to ignore a lineman with our first overall pick. I know our lines are in shambles, but unless you're taking an LT -- the 13th pick is too early for an offensive lineman, and defensive guys scare the hell out of me. I've heard people on this board screaming for this DE or that DE (myself included) and when you look back -- that player did jack squat in the NFL. DEs have one of the highest bust rates in the NFL.

I must say, a stud LB would be a nice choice there. McIntosh is iffy, Washington is nearly done, and Fletch has been an absolute monster -- but he doesn't have a ton of time left.

I also would like to ignore a lineman with our first overall pick. I know our lines are in shambles, but unless you're taking an LT -- the 13th pick is too early for an offensive lineman, and defensive guys scare the hell out of me. I've heard people on this board screaming for this DE or that DE (myself included) and when you look back -- that player did jack squat in the NFL. DEs have one of the highest bust rates in the NFL.

I must say, a stud LB would be a nice choice there. McIntosh is iffy, Washington is nearly done, and Fletch has been an absolute monster -- but he doesn't have a ton of time left.

Haven't rookie linemen taken in the first round done fairly well for their teams over the past couple of years? Like Joe Thomas with the Browns, Ferguson with the Jets, and Jake Long with Miami?

I also would like to ignore a lineman with our first overall pick. I know our lines are in shambles, but unless you're taking an LT -- the 13th pick is too early for an offensive lineman, and defensive guys scare the hell out of me. I've heard people on this board screaming for this DE or that DE (myself included) and when you look back -- that player did jack squat in the NFL. DEs have one of the highest bust rates in the NFL.

I must say, a stud LB would be a nice choice there. McIntosh is iffy, Washington is nearly done, and Fletch has been an absolute monster -- but he doesn't have a ton of time left.

Ideally, in my perfect world, we trade down and get a solid offensive lineman. Someone like say...Duke Robinson. And a second round pick

I agree though that 13 is too high for any linemen really, best as I can tell from the talent in the upper echelons of the draft. That spot though is prime for a stud LB. Problem is though it probably needs to be Brian Cushing and 13 may even be too high for him. Mauluaga and Luarianitis (sp? of both) are probably better. But both are inside linebackers and it's going to be hard to convince the fans that it made sense to spend the first pick on a player who is going to (most likely) sit on the bench behind Fletcher for a year or two.

Perhaps the best plan is to draft.....smart? Come on, we've all seen that phrase before? Draft Smart?
Get good quality! Not most hyped guys. Our scouts REALLY need to earn their pay in the next couple of months.
WAIT........maybe since we are of a psuedo Indian/Native American image, we could get the cooperation of a tribe or two for some additional............scouts?
....probably not. It's all on you, Vinnie

I'll try to answer your questions.

I wish we could know the Redskins evaluations of these players:

1) Can Rinehart start and be effective at RG/RT?

Not if they don't give him a chance.

2) Can Justin Geisinger start and be effective at a Guard spot and backup center and eventually challenge Casey?

Not if they don't give him a chance.


3) Can Devin Clark play or was it just hype because he might have been forced to play?

Not if they don't give him a chance.


4) Could Jansen be effective playing an interior line spot?

I think he's done.


5) Will/ can Thomas return next year, would we even want him too?

I think he'll be back but he is slipping.

Last part is just a gripe:
What is going on with the talent evaluation that we let a kid that i heard Buges liked: Andrew Crummey go to the Bengals when we needed offensive lineman right here?

I share your feelings about Crummey.

Anyway could these line-ups be effective next year?

Samuels, Kendal, Rabach, Geisinger, Rinehart

Samuels, Kendal, Rabach, Rinehart, Heyer

Samuels, Kendal, Rabach, Jansen, Rinehart

Samuels, Kendal, Rabach, Rinehart, Rookie + Rookie center in waiting

Only the second lineup does anything for me at all. This is what I would like to see: LT - FA Jordan Gross, LG - Kendall to start the season, then Rookie (Duke Robinson?) taking over, C - Rabach, RG - Rinehart, RT - Samuels

I always get geeked about the draft. I've seen people clamoring for offensive lineman/defensive lineman and i would been in that group. But, knowing the Redskins anything can happen come draft time.

I wish we could know the Redskins evaluations of these players:

1) Chad Rinehart??-G/T-We used to hear good things about him during training camp.

Was his lack of playing time due to lack of ability or youth. It seems that Zorn isn't high on playing rookies and that Buges likes his veteran lineman.

Can Rinehart start and be effective at RG/RT

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2) Can Justin Geisinger start and be effective at a Guard spot and backup center and eventually challenge Casey?

3) Can Devin Clark play or was it just hype because he might have been forced to play?

4) Could Jansen be effective playing an interior line spot?

5) Will/ can Thomas return next year, would we even want him too?

Last part is just a gripe:
What is going on with the talent evaluation that we let a kid that i heard Buges liked: Andrew Crummey go to the Bengals when we needed offensive lineman right here?

-BTW Crummey played in more games then Geisinger, Rinehart, Clark combined

Anyway could these line-ups be effective next year?

Samuels, Kendal, Rabach, Geisinger, Rinehart

Samuels, Kendal, Rabach, Rinehart, Heyer

Samuels, Kendal, Rabach, Jansen, Rinehart

Samuels, Kendal, Rabach, Rinehart, Rookie + Rookie center in waiting


I think you are looking at Samuels, Rinehart, Rabach, Thomas, Heyer. I would like Jansen to stay for backup or depth because Heyer seems to get dinged up, but I just dont see him staying. He would have to take less money also.

I also would like to ignore a lineman with our first overall pick. I know our lines are in shambles, but unless you're taking an LT -- the 13th pick is too early for an offensive lineman, and defensive guys scare the hell out of me. I've heard people on this board screaming for this DE or that DE (myself included) and when you look back -- that player did jack squat in the NFL. DEs have one of the highest bust rates in the NFL.

I must say, a stud LB would be a nice choice there. McIntosh is iffy, Washington is nearly done, and Fletch has been an absolute monster -- but he doesn't have a ton of time left.

See Ruhskins post - OL seem to be a fairly safe bet compared to other positions. You're right about DEs - very high bust factor. For that reason I think an OT would be an ideal pick at #13. (Remember Samuels was #3 overall in 2000). I think if one of the top OTs is available you have to look at him as an eventual LT even if in the first couple years he plays RT. Samuels is no spring chicken & eventually he'll start to break down more.

Someone mentioned that he could be moved to RT. I think that would be ideal in a year or two. For now he's still a solid LT when healthy.