Observation on Campbell

Hes smoking pot! Thats why hes slow.lol.COLT BRENNAN !!!!!At least he will try to throw 25 or 30 touchdown passes......


Hey now that is an original idea to the JC stuff!!!!!! Funny

Graham Harrell would look nice in B&G

Uh........No

Okay I am sorry about the last post but it needed to be said .. I do think some of the attitude towards 17 is because of the colour of his skin .

I am just fustrated with every single message board and Redskins blog being filled with the same drivel . He holds the ball too long he locks onto one reciever etc etc

I have heard some very compelling evidence on both sides of the arguments but so many of the anti Campbell posters would rather be right so perpetuate the myth rather than actually look at what is happening .

Give the team time ... Give Campbell time and we will see who is right .

And btw I think you can track the teams woes on offense back to when Samuels knee really started to bother him (Steelers game I think ) just a thought


When the hell did race become a factor? God damn man. People ripped Gus, Ramsey, and Brunell to shreds in any Skins forum when they were around and not getting the job done. Face it dude, we all want a true franchise QB ala the Mannings, Brees, Brady, you name it, and JC is just an average QB. Do you think him being black means he shouldn't be under any criticism for any shortcomings? He will get his chance next season to prove his critics wrong, and if he doesn't step it up, we simply won't resign him ala Frerotte. You obviously haven't been a Skins blogger for that long, but every QB we have had since the dawning of the net has been ripped on and dissected on his foibles. JC is just the current guy on the list. Skins fans are looking for their next Sammy, Sonny, or even Joe T. It is simple as that.

Okay I am sorry about the last post but it needed to be said .. I do think some of the attitude towards 17 is because of the colour of his skin .

No, it didn't need to be said. The fans on this site deserve more than a simplistic race card slap. We all bleed Burgundy and Gold, and love the players that we see as winners. JC is the qb and is going to get a larger accolade when we win, and a larger blame when we lose. That was a dumb sad comment. (ok for polity i will add - IMO)

I think any talks about the QB position should only be about the development of Jason Campbell, and having for once true continuity in the passing game and offense in general. I say this, b/c I believe this is the first year we're going to have continuity. I feel that Gibbs never quite developed Campbell (coach didn't seem to care much for young QBs, hence Brunell), brought in a whole new offense with Saunders, and it seems that there was some type of friction between Saunders' and Gibbs' input on offense. So I feel that while JC played for Gibbs, there was no continuity; then Gibbs left, in comes Zorn (another change).

Other than giving JC a second year and having true continuity, what are the options?

- Colt Brennan: NO. If you put in a rookie QB, you might as well turn the team into rebuilding mode. I don't think we have the personnel to pull off what the Ravens are doing this season with a rook QB, and I don't think Brennan can pull a Matt Ryan.

- Free Agent QBs: Well here's your list of 2009 FA QB (Warner, Cassel, Garcia, Grossman, Kyle Boller, Chaz Batch, Kerry Collins, JP Losman, and Patrick Ramsey). I don't think any of these players are elite enough to come and make a difference. And bringing a new QB kills continuity.

- Trade for a QB? That's not going to happen.

So the options outside of Jason Campbell are not that great. I think a reasonable fan would hope the following for this offseason
- Offensive line addressed, emphasis on pass protection in training camp
- Maybe better coaching at the WR position?
- Hoping that true continuity between Zorn year 1 and Zorn year 2 helps Campbell's development into an elite QB.

Campbell had good passing stats, had better accuracy, and did not turn the ball over during the first 8 games of the season when our o-line was protecting him a little bit and Portis was healthy and running the ball well. I think the team and the fans should give JC one more year to show us that he can lead this team into the playoffs; especially if the team addresses the issues that a lot of us have been pointing out in offense (pass protection/o-line in general, WRs getting open, better play calling?, etc., etc.)

I know 99% of the fans have made their minds up on Campbell regardless of what is played out on the field .

I have read their arguments and the though out counter arguments and seen Campbell play every game this year ... and yes he has had bad plays along with good plays . Along with a bunch of other players ...

and to be honest, after looking at everything. I can come up with just one conculsion and it is not said lightly ..its not Campbell it maybe something wrong with some of the fans ... .. I just cannot help but think if Campbell was white ... then we would not be looking for his replacement ...I know they would not be calling for some guy drafted in the 6th round who has shown nothing in an NFL game ... comments about him being dumb and his attitude because he is from the south just sound I don't know like some of you are posting on here with pointy white hats and burning crosses ...

#1. I never said anything about him being black.
#2. I said "he has that laid back Southern attitude."
#3. I used Favre as an example. Which means I compared JC to Favre. I would think that is a good thing....whether black or white or anyother color.
#4. I'll tell you what pisses me off and that's people like you who wear their pointy black hats always trying to turn everything into a racial issue cause you have nothing better to do in your life but to try and stir animosity.

Also keep in mind your kinda barking up the wrong tree with the whole racial issue when the Skins were the first NFL football team to have a black QB take the team to a SB and win it and we as fans are proud of that fact.

I know 99% of the fans have made their minds up on Campbell regardless of what is played out on the field .

I have read their arguments and the though out counter arguments and seen Campbell play every game this year ... and yes he has had bad plays along with good plays . Along with a bunch of other players ...

and to be honest, after looking at everything. I can come up with just one conculsion and it is not said lightly ..its not Campbell it maybe something wrong with some of the fans ... .. I just cannot help but think if Campbell was white ... then we would not be looking for his replacement ...I know they would not be calling for some guy drafted in the 6th round who has shown nothing in an NFL game ... comments about him being dumb and his attitude because he is from the south just sound I don't know like some of you are posting on here with pointy white hats and burning crosses ...
Well, I think it's naive to say that there is no element of this with some fans, it'd be hard to paint with too broad of a brush.

There is a certain undertone with comments from some folks that is consistent with the historical "criticisms" of black QB (too slow, can't read defenses, not smart enough to pick up the offense, can't adjust to defenses, etc) I think most of us want to see a winner and a leader under center regardless of what he looks like.

That being said, to firmly entrench oneself in either camp of he definitely is or definitely isn't being scrutinized based largely on skin color is equally ignorant.

Wait Campbells black?

Also keep in mind your kinda barking up the wrong tree with the whole racial issue when the Skins were the first NFL football team to have a black QB take the team to a SB and win it and we as fans are proud of that fact.

The redskins were also the last team include black players - Bobby Mitchell in 1964 - proud of that fact ?

Look I am not saying everyone who criticizes Campbell is racist some of the comments made about him are fair, but so many are not and are contradictory and illogical .

Yes we have ripped Brunell in the past, Ramsey not so much, but much of the talk about Brunell was based on his age and diminishing skills, not about his origin .

You didn't have people wishing a career ending injury on him as I have seen someone post on ES about Campbell . ( And this was at the beginning of the season) . I hear that Campbell is slow witted, cannot read NFL defenses, locks onto one reciever, yet he only threw 6 interceptions and completed 62.2 % of his passes how do those facts hold together ?

All he does is dump of to backs ? Okay then how come Moss was 12th in the league (8th in the NFC) Just behind Owens in yards going over 1000 yards for only the third time in his career ?

Cooley ranked first in the NFC in terms of receptions with 83, and second in terms of yards ...both career highs.

Both Cooley and Moss were averaging over 10 yards per reception ....

Compare Campbell to other NFL Qbs- like with like is that too much to ask . Ask any Redskin fan if they would trade Ben Roethlisberger for Campbell most would say yes in a heart beat.... but look at Ben Roethlisberger ... a good NFL QB ? Campbell on a lesser team out strips him in % completion, interceptions/TD ratio and QB rating ... Ben Roethlisberger has better/Comparable tools in Hines Ward, Santonio Holmes, Heath Miller . Okay the Pittsburg line was porus and he got sacked alot and he fumbled 14 times loosing the ball 7 times but so was ours . (Campbell fumbled 6 times loosing 1) ....

You can point to Qbs with better stats ... Drew Brees is a particular example . Brees throws for a lot of yards, lots of TDs but a lot of Interceptions the saints finished 8-8 and Brees in a lot of games I saw (particulary Saints- Panthers game) did more harm than good to his team with untimely turnovers ( Had it not been for the play of Bush on Special teams the Panthers would have destroyed the Saints)

The thing that frustrates me most is the impatience of fans with Campbell . If the Colts fans had been as impatient with Payton Manning, or the Cowboys fans been so unforgiving of Troy Aikman when both players lead their teams to 1-15 finishes history would be so much different . I am not saying Campbell is great ... he has areas to improve in ... everyone does .

It is not just me saying Campbell has promise .. The fact that some NFL commentators were talking about Campbell as MVP . These are the ones who watch and play the sport for a living and they see something in the guy... Rick Snider went out of his way to praise Campbells gutsy play in the 49ers game ....equally the fact the Redskins are not rushing to tie him up to an extension says he is not perfect ..