Observation on Campbell

People judge others, sometimes subconsciously sometimes because they choose to .

I think it is naive to think every single anti Campbell comment is based soley on his on field production and not on the stereotype of black athletes some people hold .

Some fans refuse to see any of Campbell's merits. Despite the actual numbers he's put up and praise from current NFL experts.
They down play any of Campbell strengths in order to level dubious claims that he lacks some intangible 'it' factor and therefore isn't good.

I'm sure their might be some left over stereotypes about black quarterbacks that may be behind some peoples opinions of Campbell. There was a time when many black QBs had a hard road to the NFL as a QB and many switched from QB to another position like DB when coming into the league. (e.g. Tony Dungy)

Dungy was recruited by University of Minnesota coach Cal Stoll and played for the Golden Gophers from 1973 to 1976. He entered the starting lineup as a quarterback during his freshman year and after playing for four years finished as Minnesota's career leader in pass attempts (576), completions (274), touchdown passes (25), and passing yards (3,577).[5] He also finished fourth in career total offense in the Big Ten Conference. He received Minnesota's Most Valuable Player award twice.[5]

But based on the level of the arguements going on in this thread i thought this wouldn't be the place to have this discussion.

But, you're right, it is naive to think that race/stereotypes about black QB may not have a role in how some fans view Campbell's performance. I just thought it was understood.

As the guy who brought up the race issue I just want to point out why .

I gone through countless Anti Campbell threads and other posters have said all I have come across is :

"I am not sold on him", "he is inaccurate", "he is a turnover machine" (- Which made me laugh) "He holds onto the ball too long","he is slow", "too laid back", "I just don't like him" etc etc .

Yes I would like to see more from him but what I have seen, keeping the team in games, bringing us from behind, making gutsy calls plays and year on year improvements, willingness to put the time in the film room and training ground is something I like to see from the QB .

If someone, anyone could give me concrete reasons why Campbell should not at least be given a chance to be the Redskins QB of the future other than jut a "feeling" or a stereotype I would be glad to debate it with them .

I am not a reverse bigot, I think anyone should make their way in the world based on merit, it shouldn't matter about race religion sexual preference or anything else .

The problem is the world isn't like that and these things do make a difference.


I wasn't isolating anyone and calling them a racist . I am not using it as an insult, if you see it like that then maybe that is your problem not mine .


People judge others, sometimes subconsciously sometimes because they choose to .

I think it is naive to think every single anti Campbell comment is based soley on his on field production and not on the stereotype of black athletes some people hold .

Why don't you show us some of these "concrete" racial reasons that people do not like Campbell before you come out a say something related to race. I haven't seen 1 post on here where someone was using race as a reason for Campbell's average play. So where are you getting your ideas of race being the reason??

What makes you say this?

One of the things Zorn and others (Jaws, Aikman) praise Jason for is that he does go through his progressions.

Campbell Is Earning Zorn's Trust - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/11/26/ST2008112604197.html)

The tendency was something Zorn knew he would have to address with Campbell, but the former Seahawks quarterback smiled as he analyzed the young signal caller's performance during his news conference later in the day.

"Remember, at the beginning of the season I couldn't get him off that receiver and now he is off him, you know, five yards down the field. Boy, he's looking for number two and number three," the first-year head coach said, chuckling. "So we'll get him back on track. I think he's playing well, though."

I don't know bro, this is like a direct contradiction of what you're saying huh?

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But it doesn't change the fact that Jason was at one point being considered for league MVP.

Here's a question for you and BeastsoftheNFCeast and BigHairedAristocrat

If Jason was being considered for MVP can you admit that Jason was at least playing well in the 1st half of the season?

Here are some more quotes you might like:
With tough love from Zorn, Campbell now among elite QBs - USATODAY.com (http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/redskins/2008-10-23-sw-cover_N.htm)

Former Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Bill Cowher considers Campbell a leading candidate for mid-season league MVP.

"Jason Campbell has played as well as anybody has in the NFL at his position," Cowher, now a CBS analyst, says. "He's thrown for good numbers. He's got no turnovers. He's big, strong and able to move out of the pocket and make throws down the field.

"He's brought his team back when they've been down. I've been very impressed with Jason Campbell's play."
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Fox Sports lead NFL analyst Troy Aikman says"With all the coaching changes, I didn't know how it would play out with Jim Zorn becoming a first-time head coach and play-caller and losing defensive coordinator Gregg Williams and Jason Campbell having to learn a new system again."
"The reason they're closing people out is the way Jim Zorn is calling games.
"He's going for it on fourth down and throwing on first down in the fourth quarter because Jason understands about taking care of the ball."

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"I thought Jason would eventually play well under Jim Zorn," ESPN Monday Night Football analyst Ron Jaworski says. "I didn't think he'd play this well, this early.
"I've seen his game ascending. He can make every throw a quarterback has to have, the tough stick throw, the deep out, the seam route. He has great anticipation. I thought he'd become a rock-solid quarterback.
"That it's happened this quickly really is a tribute to Jim Zorn."

He had a bit more time to where he COULD do that. Are you not saying that (and plenty of this has to do with the o-line play) he held on longer than he probably should've on many plays as well?

I point out one part of the game that a QB new to this system is not 100% on and all of a sudden I'm a Campbell hater, you guys are incredible.

That's like the 10th time you've referenced ONE comment by a 70 something year old ex-QB. Matter of fact, that is THE ONLY reference to anything that even resembles an expert that any Campbell hater anywhere on this board has used. And frankly I don't really consider Sonny much of an expert at this stage. Great man, great Redskin, but not a top notch analyst by any means.

In the meantime, Bill Cowher, Steve Young, Ron Jaworski, our head coach, and plenty of others have had high praise for JC and how quickly he is coming along in the most complex offense despite a badly underperforming O-line and WR corps...

I don't like the Cowboys, am I a Dallas hater?

I'm not really fond of one of my employees, guess I'm a hater

People that use the word hater instead of coming to the realization that opinions may differ are no better than those who can't come up with anything logical to them apparently.. well they are haters

sorry I'm such a hater man, I'll try to be more like you

I don't think race has anything significant to do with it. I think it's simply pissed off fans doing armchair 'analysis' of what happened on their television screen with an extremely selective memory of what actually happened and using their emotional responses to what happened as 'evidence'.

That's just simply not true. Your convenient selective hearing doesn't surprise me though. You didn't hear him when we were limping around with Brunell in early '04 and '06?? How about during the Spurrier years? Or with Jeff George?? Please man.

I think it's hilarious that you're clinging to ONE comment by someone who can't pass as an NFL analyst as the backing for your argument. Yeah, that really trumps any of the other links/quotes/articles by numerous sources that have been posted around here ad nauseum.

I'm almost begging for a REAL, statistically and factually based concrete argument to support the JC bashing. Anyone, please. Seriously.

Jesus why are you so offended? You need a stepladder to come down from that high horse?

We realize that he's in yet another new system and has shown great signs for that, that doesn't mean he's doing everything right or perfectly. That doesn't mean that I don't want him to succeed, I do. Not just a QB, but him. I've met the guy and he's extremely polite and pretty humorous too, had no problem waiting up a bit to where I could get my lil bros some hats and get them autographed and take a couple of pics. Guy's a class act and a good athlete, that doesn't mean I'll ignore things that he doesn't have 100% yet such as locking in, still a bit slow to release, etc. He has another year to prove himself in that regard and if he makes progression he's our guy.

I don't think race has anything significant to do with it. I think it's simply pissed off fans doing armchair 'analysis' of what happened on their television screen with an extremely selective memory of what actually happened and using their emotional responses to what happened as 'evidence'.

And that doesn't have to do with a lot of players switching positions either. A lot of QBs have switched to TE, WR, etc.. some guys just aren't NFL QB's.. we'll see that with the Golden Boy Tebow if everyone's analysis is correct. He's white too

I don't like the Cowboys, am I a Dallas hater?

I'm not really fond of one of my employees, guess I'm a hater

People that use the word hater instead of coming to the realization that opinions may differ are no better than those who can't come up with anything logical to them apparently.. well they are haters

sorry I'm such a hater man, I'll try to be more like you

You're completely missing the point. By "hater" I'm simply referring to all those Warpath members who constantly insist Cambpell is not the answer for this team. You're hung up on the moniker I assigned rather than the main point. So fine, you guys aren't haters. You're naysaysers. Or whatever. Who cares about the label? You just don't think JC can get the job done. You're entitled to that opinion.

That doesn't soften my point, nor does it distract me from the fact that you still can't prove yours.

On a side note, none of my previous posts were directed at you, so don't get so worked up over mine. I'm not offended, nor should you be.

Can we just get the thread locked, this is getting out of control.

Why don't you show us some of these "concrete" racial reasons that people do not like Campbell before you come out a say something related to race. I haven't seen 1 post on here where someone was using race as a reason for Campbell's average play. So where are you getting your ideas of race being the reason??

There is little concrete evidence race is an issue I only suggested it might be an issue but there is plenty of evidence to suggest people are using Jasons colour as a reason to profile him as either slow or inaccurate .

Is Eli Manning inaccurate, how about Ben Rothlesberger or Tony Romo ? How about Kerry Collins, Kyle Orton, jake Dellhomme ? This year is the first time Eli has completed more than 60% of his passes ever in his career yet Campbell who threw more and completed more passes is labled the inaccurate one, how is that right ?

You would think if he was slow and telegraphed his passes was slow on his release and locked onto one reciever then NFL quality DBs would feast upon him, yet we played the 1,2,3,5 and 7th ranked pass defenses, we played teams which ranked 1,2,7,9 and 14th in team inteceptions, sometimes more than once, this season yet Campbell comes out of the season with only 6 interceptions ... How do those facts gel ? If he is slow and telegraphs all his passes and cannot read defenses .