Observation on Campbell

Last time I checked they dont give MVPs for 8 games. I bet Jaws wouldnt consider him anywhere near MVP now (especially since P. Manning won it and JC isnt anywhere close to him). I dont like JC as QB because he isnt that good.

How about you back that up with something concrete? You don't like anything about the Redskins as far as I can tell.

Just stop trying 30gut. Reason and expert analysis falls on deaf ears with the Campbell haters around here. You can point out concrete analysis from experts left and right, and not only won't any of the haters acknowledge it, they'll still preach on like they know what they're talking about.

Not to mention the fact that there are probably at least half a dozen threads dedicated to how "bad" of a qb JC is, yet these new threads keep popping up. :doh:

Yours is an honorable effort, but some people just don't really like to listen to reason.

He did go thru progressions good but like Sonny said, you can train any lineman to go thru progressions its what happens after the snap that counts as much or more than progressions and Sonny said he hasnt seen anything from JC after the snap that gets him excited about JCs future.

He did go thru progressions good but like Sonny said, you can train any lineman to go thru progressions its what happens after the snap that counts as much or more than progressions and Sonny said he hasnt seen anything from JC after the snap that gets him excited about JCs future.

That's like the 10th time you've referenced ONE comment by a 70 something year old ex-QB. Matter of fact, that is THE ONLY reference to anything that even resembles an expert that any Campbell hater anywhere on this board has used. And frankly I don't really consider Sonny much of an expert at this stage. Great man, great Redskin, but not a top notch analyst by any means.

In the meantime, Bill Cowher, Steve Young, Ron Jaworski, our head coach, and plenty of others have had high praise for JC and how quickly he is coming along in the most complex offense despite a badly underperforming O-line and WR corps...

The funny thing is, all the Campbell haters are just getting pwned left and right!!

A predictable response.

The first part is wildly inaccurate. Nobody hates Campbell. We would all love to see him become an elite QB and remain here for the rest of his career.

The second part is juvenile in the extreme.

That's like the 10th time you've referenced ONE comment by a 70 something year old ex-QB. Matter of fact, that is THE ONLY reference to anything that even resembles an expert that any Campbell hater anywhere on this board has used. And frankly I don't really consider Sonny much of an expert at this stage. Great man, great Redskin, but not a top notch analyst by any means.

In the meantime, Bill Cowher, Steve Young, Ron Jaworski, our head coach, and plenty of others have had high praise for JC and how quickly he is coming along in the most complex offense despite a badly underperforming O-line and WR corps...I give far mor credence to these guys' opinions than Jurgensen's. Jaws in particular reviews more film than any analyst today.

I give far mor credence to these guys' opinions than Jurgensen's. Jaws in particular reviews more film than any analyst today.

In all my years of watching Redskins Report I cant ever recall Sonny saying something even remotely negative about anything Skins-related thats why when he said it I about fell out of my chair cause if Sonny is saying something negative he must think its really bad.

I guess expert analysis is only worth something when you agree with it.

A predictable response.

The first part is wildly inaccurate. Nobody hates Campbell. We would all love to see him become an elite QB and remain here for the rest of his career.

The second part is juvenile in the extreme.

Juvenile in the extreme? Or maybe a valid observation that you simply cannot rebut, so you sink to insulting it (which is awfully hypocritical considering YOU brought up how we Campbell supporters are the insulters).

Either way, pretty funny. I also think it's funny that you chose to quote just one line of my entire post, and then proceed to call it "typical" and "juvenile." See pot and kettle. Sigh....

You're amongst the JC naysayers, and rather than backing up your negative opinions about him with anything concrete, you'd rather just bicker.

In all my years of watching Redskins Report I cant ever recall Sonny saying something even remotely negative about anything Skins-related thats why when he said it I about fell out of my chair cause if Sonny is saying something negative he must think its really bad.

I guess expert analysis is only worth something when you agree with it.

That's just simply not true. Your convenient selective hearing doesn't surprise me though. You didn't hear him when we were limping around with Brunell in early '04 and '06?? How about during the Spurrier years? Or with Jeff George?? Please man.

I think it's hilarious that you're clinging to ONE comment by someone who can't pass as an NFL analyst as the backing for your argument. Yeah, that really trumps any of the other links/quotes/articles by numerous sources that have been posted around here ad nauseum.

I'm almost begging for a REAL, statistically and factually based concrete argument to support the JC bashing. Anyone, please. Seriously.

He did go thru progressions good but like Sonny said, you can train any lineman to go thru progressions its what happens after the snap that counts as much or more than progressions and Sonny said he hasnt seen anything from JC after the snap that gets him excited about JCs future.

A lineman may be able to switch line assignments before the snap but not go through progressions. Going through your progressions means not targeting one receiver but looking to different receivers to see who the best option is. You progress from one receiver to the next. At least that's my understanding of it. I'm pretty sure even old Sonny would know this. I don't know how you train a lineman to do that.

Anybody else notice that the people who have criticised Campbell on this thread are quite happy for others to come on and defend him, yet the defenders quickly resort to insults and ridiculous accusations of racism when anybody disagrees with them?

Strange that.

As the guy who brought up the race issue I just want to point out why .

I gone through countless Anti Campbell threads and other posters have said all I have come across is :

"I am not sold on him", "he is inaccurate", "he is a turnover machine" (- Which made me laugh) "He holds onto the ball too long","he is slow", "too laid back", "I just don't like him" etc etc .

Yes I would like to see more from him but what I have seen, keeping the team in games, bringing us from behind, making gutsy calls plays and year on year improvements, willingness to put the time in the film room and training ground is something I like to see from the QB .

If someone, anyone could give me concrete reasons why Campbell should not at least be given a chance to be the Redskins QB of the future other than jut a "feeling" or a stereotype I would be glad to debate it with them .

I am not a reverse bigot, I think anyone should make their way in the world based on merit, it shouldn't matter about race religion sexual preference or anything else .

The problem is the world isn't like that and these things do make a difference.


I wasn't isolating anyone and calling them a racist . I am not using it as an insult, if you see it like that then maybe that is your problem not mine .


People judge others, sometimes subconsciously sometimes because they choose to .

I think it is naive to think every single anti Campbell comment is based soley on his on field production and not on the stereotype of black athletes some people hold .