Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts

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A10sROCK
01-27-2009, 02:27 PM
Get the ball in Deven Eleven's hands, and magic will happen! We need no more recievers for a while! Does anyone know why Rhinehart did not play at all this year, and will he be playing next year at a starting capacity?

According to the latest WP article, many of the coaches think Rhinehart isn't ready as a starter or even backup. Another 2008 draft pick who will need "more time to develop".... or will never be NFL material.

A10sROCK
01-27-2009, 02:34 PM
Wow. Actually a lot of rook WRs have posted serious numbers, which you're right SC doesn't bode well for Devin in particular. The only caveat may be his track-record prior to NFL was very short so he's taking in a lot i.e. he may be a special case. Also that the coaches seemed to favor the vets over the rooks.

Our 2008 draft TE couldn't learn the plays. The rookie WR showed up out-of-shape [according to Zorn]. Kelly has bad knees - that every other team in the NFL knew about except us.

Unfortunately, other needs on the team have higher precedent than WR. We have one of the NFL oldest OL and DL's. Our very limited money will go toward those positions and we have to hope our rookies can perform and improve. We may be able to get one new FA WR and hope the guy can perform miracles.

SBXVII
01-27-2009, 10:50 PM
I know I keep beating the dead horse, but I had to go look for myself at how many WR's Hixon has been through. I found a lot and I still don't think I got them all. I'm in total shock that he could not develope anyone.

Hixon came in 2004 which means he had all the 2003 WR's and could keep or suggest to let go.

2004:Coles, Thrash, Rod Gardner, Darnarian McCants, Taylor Jacobs, Cliff Russell, Dameane Douglas, and Scott Coleman.

2005:Jacobs, Thrash, McCants, Moss, Patton, Kevin Dyson, Steven Harris, Rich Parson.

2006:Moss, Thrash, Patton, Harris, ARE, Lloyd, Espy.

2007:Moss, ARE, Thrash, Lloyd, Ryan Hoag.

Then there is all the others:
Burl Toler
Horace Gant
Marques Hagans
Maurice Mann
Billy McMullen
Anthony Mix
Malcolm Kelly
Devin Thomas

I count 25 WR's Hixon has had a full season to train, coach, develope thats including everyone ie; Moss, ARE, Thrash and Coles, Patton and Lloyd. 25 WR's and we are down to 5, Moss, ARE, Thrash, Thomas, and Kelly. Hmmm. Shocking. I know some of those WR's sucked or were non drafted rookies but I would like to think he would have had some input as to his evaluation of said WR's and who they should look at bringing in for his developement. Out of 25 we have 5 WR's and 3 were developed elsewhere. Plus many are already calling last years 2 busts.

When you keep running the same expierment ie; bringing in new WR's, and you get the same results all the time, then it's time to look at yourself and what your doing wrong. He's a college coach. not an NFL quality coach. Change is needed.

44ever
01-27-2009, 10:56 PM
Wow SBXVII. Thanks for the research. Didn't realize how long the list was. You might be right about a change here

tryfuhl
01-27-2009, 10:58 PM
I know I keep beating the dead horse, but I had to go look for myself at how many WR's Hixon has been through. I found a lot and I still don't think I got them all. I'm in total shock that he could not develope anyone.

Hixon came in 2004 which means he had all the 2003 WR's and could keep or suggest to let go.

2004:Coles, Thrash, Rod Gardner, Darnarian McCants, Taylor Jacobs, Cliff Russell, Dameane Douglas, and Scott Coleman.

2005:Jacobs, Thrash, McCants, Moss, Patton, Kevin Dyson, Steven Harris, Rich Parson.

2006:Moss, Thrash, Patton, Harris, ARE, Lloyd, Espy.

2007:Moss, ARE, Thrash, Lloyd, Ryan Hoag.

Then there is all the others:
Burl Toler
Horace Gant
Marques Hagans
Maurice Mann
Billy McMullen
Anthony Mix
Malcolm Kelly
Devin Thomas

I count 25 WR's Hixon has had a full season to train, coach, develope thats including everyone ie; Moss, ARE, Thrash and Coles, Patton and Lloyd. 25 WR's and we are down to 5, Moss, ARE, Thrash, Thomas, and Kelly. Hmmm. Shocking. I know some of those WR's sucked or were non drafted rookies but I would like to think he would have had some input as to his evaluation of said WR's and who they should look at bringing in for his developement. Out of 25 we have 5 WR's and 3 were developed elsewhere. Plus many are already calling last years 2 busts.

When you keep running the same expierment ie; bringing in new WR's, and you get the same results all the time, then it's time to look at yourself and what your doing wrong. He's a college coach. not an NFL quality coach. Change is needed.

Only a few of them have been anything noteworthy elsewhere but yeah, the first few years are vital for someone to get the right training for the NFL.

SBXVII
01-28-2009, 12:17 AM
Again I will admit some were not drafted for a reason but some were from other teams and brought in Patton, Lloyd, I think Dameane Douglas, Dyson. I'll even agree the player has to match the type of scheme your running. Short passes vs deep passes. Gibbs style vs WCO. but I'm still amazed that he could not develope someone. None. He's developed none. Our only keepers have been developed elsewhere. except Thomas and Kelly and as I said we have heard bloggers to news media calling them busts. Whether due to injury or bad knees or simply calling them ignorant cause they can't pick up Zorns plays.

So if we pass on Thomas and Kelly cause the jury is still out....he's developed no one. Toler, Gant, Mann, Mix, Hoag, and Espy. I kinda liked what each brought to the table and felt they could be developed. Maybe some would need more time then others learning the NFL ropes but none. I guess if it's not broken you don't fix it but what if it won't work?

To be honest I'm betting I'm missing someone or two. People I may have forgotten about or couldn't find on a list somewhere.

I know when you are on a course of action and you keep getting the same results you check all outside influences to see what may be causing it, but at some point when the results keep coming up the same I believe you have to look at yourself and what your doing and could it possibly be causing the same results. Is there something you can do to change the outcome of your results. If whatever he's teaching is not working then I would hope he is mature enough to look at himself and figure out another way to coach/develope WR's but after 5 years of not accomplishing much I think the team has to do the same and think about changing him.

Ruhskins
01-28-2009, 01:42 AM
If they get rid of Hixon, who would be a good candidate? I really hope they do, it killed me all season when (the few times) JC had time to throw, the wideouts could not get separation and get open beyond 5-10 yds from the LOS.

GTripp0012
01-28-2009, 01:48 AM
I don't know much about Stan Hixon, but this situation reminds me of the Simpsons sequence where Lenny is in charge of the powerplant.

"Um, work harder people," he says.

I think there's an assumption here that if we could get a real Lenny in here, instead of that bum Hixon, our WR production would improve.

But it probably won't do anything.

I don't even think it's worth the buyout cost to fire Hixon. If his contract expires, we can go in a different direction for his sake. But until then, seems like sort of a witch hunt to blame a guy for not rescuing the careers of crappy WRs.

SBXVII
01-28-2009, 04:06 PM
I don't know much about Stan Hixon, but this situation reminds me of the Simpsons sequence where Lenny is in charge of the powerplant.

"Um, work harder people," he says.

I think there's an assumption here that if we could get a real Lenny in here, instead of that bum Hixon, our WR production would improve.

But it probably won't do anything.

I don't even think it's worth the buyout cost to fire Hixon. If his contract expires, we can go in a different direction for his sake. But until then, seems like sort of a witch hunt to blame a guy for not rescuing the careers of crappy WRs.

I guess your right, We can blame the line for not giving JC enough time to throw the ball. I'll agree with that. We can say the WR's brought in were second rate WR's and as you put it crappy, but I will not excuse the fact that he has no culpability in helping to evaluate the WR talent and add suggestions as to who the team should possibly go after.

So if the WR's sucked then his evaluating talent sucks also Which means more of the same unless something changes. What a track record 0-25 in the development department. All but 3 sucked (who he did not develope;Moss, ARE, Thrash), and two who were not ready to play NFL football. Either physically nor mentally. Which again I hold him responsible for not giving them a work out routine prior to the season and helping them learn the play book during the season.

Witch hunt. maybe. tired of mediocracy...yes. Where would Gibbs have been had he gone 0-25 in his second 2 seasons?

GTripp0012
01-28-2009, 04:13 PM
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I guess your right, We can blame the line for not giving JC enough time to throw the ball. I'll agree with that. We can say the WR's brought in were second rate WR's and as you put it crappy, but I will not excuse the fact that he has no culpability in helping to evaluate the WR talent and add suggestions as to who the team should possibly go after.

So if the WR's sucked then his evaluating talent sucks also Which means more of the same unless something changes. What a track record 0-25 in the development department. All but 3 sucked (who he did not develope;Moss, ARE, Thrash), and two who were not ready to play NFL football. Either physically nor mentally. Which again I hold him responsible for not giving them a work out routine prior to the season and helping them learn the play book during the season.

Witch hunt. maybe. tired of mediocracy...yes. Where would Gibbs have been had he gone 0-25 in his second 2 seasons?Aren't the high school and college coaches of the receivers in question far more responsible for "development" than the NFL position coach is?

Agree that Hixon isn't helping us discover talent at WR. But he also probably isn't hurting us there. Saunders' background was with receivers, and he was okay with Hixon, but we brought in Lloyd anyway. The guys we've drafted at the position have been total garbage thus far, but at least I hope Malcolm Kelly can break that trend.

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