I guess no one likes VC.

There's not much to like about the Snyder/Cerrato combination. Snyder is an impulsive moron when it comes to football, and Cerrato is his yes man. It's a bad combination. I don't have much hope that the Redskins will recover as a franchise until either they're both gone or Snyder hires a real football GM and leaves him alone.

Also, Cerrato recently said that we don't really need to change much this offseason. Really? That just baffles me. He's an idiot if he thinks that we're close to competing for a Superbowl and he's just delaying the inevitable if we continue the patch a hole here, patch a hole there for eternity. This team is not even close to being in a state where a few tweaks will fix it.

I agree there is no hope for this franchise unless synder fires vinny cerrato, and gets a GM, and backing off all of the team and personnel decisions!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't "know" Vinny Cerrato. So it's impossible for me to say whether I "like" him or not. I can only go by his results as the director of player personnel, executive vice president of football operations, or whichever title he has had in his tenure with this team.

66-78. That's the overall record of this team under Dan Snyder's ownership and Vinny Cerrato's guidance with personnel -- however you choose to describe his official status. We can all see what that record is. Yes, we have a couple of last place wild card appearances. But those were against incredible odds when all seemed lost or with the backdrop of immense tragedy. Both coincidentally, came under the leadership of Joe Gibbs, without whom those playoff spots may never have happened under any other coach.

Regardless, this organization has been mired in mediocrity or downright failure. And there's an alarmingly large number of fans who accept it, defend it, and fall for the promises of "next year".

And this year's draft? It's shaping up to be like all the rest. Our rookie wideouts have an ironclad defense other rookies don't seem to require -- they're rookies, so we have to give them time. Desean Jackson, Eddie Royal, Anquan Boldin, Randy Moss, Donnie Avery all prove that rule to be complete bullshit. That's an excuse that bad teams use. Yes, there are the occasional hits: Golston, Montgomery, Cartwright, Horton. But those types of players are taken with far more regularity among the teams that are successful. I don't see how anyone can "love" Chad Rinehart. You can love the idea of finally picking an offensive lineman, I suppose. But he hasn't played a single down. The best you can say about him is that his grade as a pro is incomplete.

It's not just this year's draft that's open to criticism. It's an entire body of work over the years that ignores the basic rules of building a franchise that all the good teams accept -- build your lines first. We haven't taken an offensive lineman in the first two rounds in eight years. There hasn't been a defensive lineman selected in the first four rounds in eleven years with Vinny and Snyder calling the shots. That's inexcusable. It defies the fundamentals of football.

If it's one thing Cerrato and Snyder are good at, it's luring legions of fans to tolerate mediocrity, and to trick them into believing that the Redskins are one step away from championship contention.

It's a trick that won't work with this fan.
You picked 5 players out of 200 in some to prove that rockies can have an impact. Not sure if the numbers support that. Yes some do come in and produce from day one but thats the exception and not the rule. Also is it his fault that we did not get production out of these guys or the coaches fault.

I think it's fair to say that we should judge him here forward. So far if we judge him on the Zorn hire and the 08 draft class I'd say it's below average. We've got a draft class that basically did nothing and a coach who had one of the worst offenses in the league and showed no ability to adjust. So far it's not very good.
Sounds like what we have said over the past 4 years when Gibbs was here.

Vinny sees the same thing we do and more.

Fire Away![/QUOTE]

Except that he doesn't see the same thing most fans see.

Vinny sees the same thing we do and more.

Fire Away!

Except that he doesn't see the same thing most fans see.[/QUOTE]

Which is?

I have been in the same room with Vinny Carrato precisely one time and I believe the only words I spoke to him were "Nice to meet you; good luck this year." So, I have no basis to like or dislike him.


I do not subscribe to the idea that he is a great evaluator of college or pro talent. While I agree it is too early to dclare last year's draft a disaster, it is highly dissappointing that only ONE of the draftees/undrafted free agents made significant contributions on Sundays.


[Someone said that if the Skins were not running a WCO then they might have found Desean Jackson useful. Excuse me, but the Eagles run the WCO too. Andy Reid worked with Bill Walsh and Mike Holmgren on the offensive side of the ball; his ideas and Jim Zorn's ideas about offense are far more similar than they are different.]


Here is what I really would want to see happen. I want Vinnie to stop with his radio program twice a week. I did a little bit if radio many years ago - - probably before half the folks on this board were born - - and you don't do a two-hour radio program by showing up 15 minutes before the light goes on and just start talking. (Smootsmack can provide some current insight here.)


Vinnie's most important job is to evaluate talent - - talent he should try to get on the Redskins' roster. Vinnie's fifty-ninth most important job is to do a two-hour radio show twice a week. He is not evaluating talent when he is on the radio or when he is prepping for his radio show.


Yes, I know that some coaches and GMs have radio shows besides Vinnie. But just because someone else does it does not make it the best thing to do. I suspect your Mom told you that a time or two when you were growing up...

Say what you want, but I like Vinny. He has a plan as to what he is doing, and why don't we just sit back and see what he does in this years draft and FA before we totally bash him. I also love his laugh.