I guess no one likes VC.

Vinny basically took WR's in a bad year for WR's. The 2008 WR's class was not very good. The 2009 WR class is strong. This is one of many mistakes Vinny made in 2008.
Yet he keeps his job.
His job performance is not judged the same way others in the organization are.
We have an owner that fired a successful coach Marty Schottenheimer after only one season. Yet he keeps Vinny on for 8 years now.

Oh but you look good taking the "Best available player" at the time....I mean look at Detroit with all the first round picks and WR's. LOL.

When making apple juice and all you have is lemons you make the best of what you have....you make lemon juice. Atleast you have juice. We have fruit ....we just need to make something of them. Unfortunatly Hixon has no clue as to how to make juice.

Vinny basically took WR's in a bad year for WR's. The 2008 WR's class was not very good. The 2009 WR class is strong. This is one of many mistakes Vinny made in 2008.
Yet he keeps his job.
His job performance is not judged the same way others in the organization are.
We have an owner that fired a successful coach Marty Schottenheimer after only one season. Yet he keeps Vinny on for 8 years now.

Hopefully Vinny avoids receivers this year like the plague but if he dares to draft one with one of his first 3 picks then I'm going to call for his head (figuratively of course). I mean Vinny's going to do whatever he's going to do. I think that the BPA explanation must have been something PR came up with because this organizations top is more determined to find receivers then a junkie is to find a fix.

I can only hope that Vinny's interst in offensive line prospects last year was genuine because if it is then at least theres a willingness to strongly consider finding players along the front lines.

When VC provides a good on field product I'll like him. In his 7-8 years here he has not.

He has not made good coaching hires, he has missed on players just as much as he's hit w/ players, he's not handled contracts very well, he's not handled the draft very well. He deserved to be fired after this year, but hey might as well stick w/ it one more year right.

When VC provides a good on field product I'll like him. In his 7-8 years here he has not.

He has not made good coaching hires, he has missed on players just as much as he's hit w/ players, he's not handled contracts very well, he's not handled the draft very well. He deserved to be fired after this year, but hey might as well stick w/ it one more year right.

I think you may need to point the finger more at Snyder over the issues you brought up. Snyder has always handled the contracts and up until the Zorn hire I don't think VC had much say in the coaching hires. And the level of his input over player moves and drafts up until last year is debatable at best.

This is a team that went into Dallas and Philly and won. And then lost to the Rams at home and the Bengals. Vinny's fault? Come on. Gotta give "his" system a chance.

It doesn't matter how long he's been with the Skins. He didn't have control until now. This team has been in a state of transition far to long. It's time to stick with it.
(for a change)

Next year Vinny's the man!

I think you may need to point the finger more at Snyder over the issues you brought up. Snyder has always handled the contracts and up until the Zorn hire I don't think VC had much say in the coaching hires. And the level of his input over player moves and drafts up until last year is debatable at best.

You're right, it is debatable. We really don't know who made decision up until a year ago.

I tend to think that no one else is higher than VC in the FO for the last 8 years or so. Sure JG's had a fancy President title, but it was a 3 headed monster w/ JG, VC and DS. How do we make some of these mistakes w/out VC standing up saying that signing B Lloyd and giving him a new contract is a major mistake (insert A Carter, AA, TJ Duckett, you get the point)? Granted he most likely made the decision (he admitted as much), but how can this happen on his watch? How could he not have major issues w/ this? How could he in good faith be a part of such strange personel moves?

You're right in that i'm sure DS get's involved and I'm sure coaches get involved but you can't let some of these things happen.

VC has been a constant for our losing organization. Let's start over. Give him one more year w/ Zorn. If no playoffs...let's start over.

I'd argue it's Snyder that's been the one constant.

VC was outta here under Marty, and again his level of involvement over the years is debatable and is based mostly on speculation which of course is overwhelmingly negative.

We really don't know what moves had his stamp of approval vs. which ones didn't. Up until last year I think it's reasonable to assume it was either Snyder or Gibbs that had final say over the majority of the moves that have been made over the years.

Trying to figure out how to blame VC in all of this is pretty pointless. Let's judge him from last year forward.

I just wish we had our second round pick

I'd argue it's Snyder that's been the one constant.

VC was outta here under Marty, and again his level of involvement over the years is debatable and is based mostly on speculation which of course is overwhelmingly negative.

We really don't know what moves had his stamp of approval vs. which ones didn't. Up until last year I think it's reasonable to assume it was either Snyder or Gibbs that had final say over the majority of the moves that have been made over the years.

Trying to figure out how to blame VC in all of this is pretty pointless. Let's judge him from last year forward.

We're not going to see any changes in the assistant coaches on staff either.

Cerrato said that any changes to the assistant coaches is "totally up to Jim (Zorn)." Zorn responding by saying no one is going anywhere.

So before anyone blasts VC for not firing Stan Hixon or Danny Smith, remember it's Zorn's call. However, VC could always trump Zorn and get rid of whoever he wants.