JLC: Rogers, Possibly on the Way Out

I really don't have a problem with Rogers. No he can't catch a cold but he really doesn't need to. As long as he understands he is only going to take on the second or third WR then he will be fine. All he has to do is bat the ball away or rush the QB once in a while. Hall should be relegated to covering the #1 WR position. He has the speed and agility to cover them and perhaps steal a ball once and a while. When Rogers is blitzing have a safety cover over the top.

I will say again if we had a half decent pass rush our problems would be solved at CB. Any decent pass rush would make the QB throw the ball away or throw half a$$. If the QB does not have all day to throw the ball and wait for his WR's to get open then our CB look great. Simply put again....look at our offense this season. Other teams had great pass rushes and we had a hard time picking them up and they new it. During the second half of the yr JC faced more rushes and had to throw away or get sacked. Occassionaly he was able to run for the 1st down.

I really don't have a problem with Rogers. No he can't catch a cold but he really doesn't need to. As long as he understands he is only going to take on the second or third WR then he will be fine. All he has to do is bat the ball away or rush the QB once in a while. Hall should be relegated to covering the #1 WR position. He has the speed and agility to cover them and perhaps steal a ball once and a while. When Rogers is blitzing have a safety cover over the top.

Yeah...I don't mind Rogers.

From what I remember he was selected by GWilliams to be a physical corner as was needed in his defensive scheme. Well he has the physical part down pat. The hit he put on TO during that quick post at FedEx this year proved that. He can make all the physical hits that a physical corner needs to do.

Now can he catch a football...HELL NO!...but there is a give and take when you deal with athlete's that don't have supernatural abilities to do both.

BTW...the cowboys have a rookie CB named Mike Jenkins. During Week 9 against the giants, Brandon Jacobs did a sweep to his side. Jenkins had a full shot at Jacobs and side stepped himself out of the play so he didn't have to do so. He looked back at his teammates to make the tackle and Jacobs ran another 10 yards for a TD.

Now...Mike Jenkins can probably catch footballs all day long but he sure is hell didn't want to catch Jacob's down low for an attempted tackle. Just because Los has a glaring weakness doesn't mean he doesn't have strengths. As long as his strengths fits into our defensive scheme then I'm all for him.

Yeah...I don't mind Rogers.

From what I remember he was selected by GWilliams to be a physical corner as was needed in his defensive scheme. Well he has the physical part down pat. The hit he put on TO during that quick post at FedEx this year proved that. He can make all the physical hits that a physical corner needs to do.

Now can he catch a football...HELL NO!...but there is a give and take when you deal with athlete's that don't have supernatural abilities to do both.

BTW...the cowboys have a rookie CB named Mike Jenkins. During Week 9 against the giants, Brandon Jacobs did a sweep to his side. Jenkins had a full shot at Jacobs and side stepped himself out of the play so he didn't have to do so. He looked back at his teammates to make the tackle and Jacobs ran another 10 yards for a TD.

Now...Mike Jenkins can probably catch footballs all day long but he sure is hell didn't want to catch Jacob's down low for an attempted tackle. Just because Los has a glaring weakness doesn't mean he doesn't have strengths. As long as his strengths fits into our defensive scheme then I'm all for him.

I'm with you on that. None of our CB's have been afraid to hit this year.

Rogers was a top 10 pick and is just entering his prime..If we traded him for anything less than a 1st rounder we'd be morons.

For anyone to say that DeAngelo Hall is not a good CB is crazy to me. He really is a good corner. I know people were locked in on the completion percentage thing when he was with Oakland this season, but look at the other numbers compared to what we have:

2008 - 73 tackles, 5 INTs, & 21 Pass Deflections

* He had more pass deflections (8) in 7 games with us than Springs & Smoot had all season (7 each).
* 3rd most pass deflections in the NFL this season (21)... by the way, guess who led the league... lol ... yup ... CARLOS ROGERS (24).

2007 - 70 tackles, 5 INTs, & 16 PDs
2006 - 58 tackles, 4 INTs, & 16 PDs
2005 - 65 tackles, 6 INTs, & 10 PDs

Now look at our CBs numbers over the past 4 years and you WON'T see 20 pass deflections, over 4 INTs, 70 tackles, etc...

Also keep in mind that the guy is only 25 years-old ... 25!! He's only going to mature. And he grew up a die hard Redskins fan that's why he signed with us for league minimum when the Patriots & Giants were after him.

I am 100% behind resigning him. An like I said before, Rogers is a moot point as he is locked in through 2009, so there is no need to get rid of him other than Blache and him REALLY having issues. These 2 should be the starting corners next year... as BOTH are quality NFL starting CBs.

I don't think that anyone would question Hall's ball skills, the problem with him is his struggles in coverage and high completion percentage against. You err in making it sound like his high completion percentage against was an aberration that came out of the blue when he went to Oakland. That is incorrect. Hall has always struggled in completion percentage and yards allowed per completion. Football Outsiders has compiled these metrics, though I do not have the handy. If you want to choose between Hall and Rogers, the latter is the better coverage cornerback by a pretty fair margin. If Hall gets big money and Rogers is either traded or allowed to walk after his contract is up (which wouldn't really make sense since the Redskins could give him a high tender and get compensation if he were an RFA after 2009) then that is a mistake. Sure, it would be fine to have both as you say, but if Hall gets $45-50 million and $12-15 million to sign then there will not be money for Rogers so you are making a choice between the two.

I think they should bring all 4 of the corners back next year if they can and start hall and rogers and have springs rotate with horton at saftey and some corner next year if he would do that What he said.

I don't think that anyone would question Hall's ball skills, the problem with him is his struggles in coverage and high completion percentage against. You err in making it sound like his high completion percentage against was an aberration that came out of the blue when he went to Oakland. That is incorrect. Hall has always struggled in completion percentage and yards allowed per completion. Football Outsiders has compiled these metrics, though I do not have the handy. If you want to choose between Hall and Rogers, the latter is the better coverage cornerback by a pretty fair margin. If Hall gets big money and Rogers is either traded or allowed to walk after his contract is up (which wouldn't really make sense since the Redskins could give him a high tender and get compensation if he were an RFA after 2009) then that is a mistake. Sure, it would be fine to have both as you say, but if Hall gets $45-50 million and $12-15 million to sign then there will not be money for Rogers so you are making a choice between the two.Fwiw, I have Hall at 25 targets and a 67% completion allowed, for about 6.7 yards (roughly league average) per attempt. That's without the Philly game, so his numbers are probably even better than that. Ironically, his targets and YPA are exactly equal to Springs this year.

It makes some sense, since they are both the high % corners who make picks when given opportunities and relies on closing speed and tackle ability to prevent the first down (although Springs is a significantly better tackler than Hall).

I would say, based on the evidence, that Hall is a better investment going forward than Springs. But the fact that Rogers is even in discussion is some real unnecessary pot stirring by La Canfora at best, and downright embarrassing at worst. I just don't see it as an either or. We have to make a decision on Hall AND Springs this off-season. We don't have to do anything with Rogers until we decide what to do with the other two.

i agree. and they ought to give Smoot the first seat on a plane ride out of town

This seems kind of ridiculous. Of course the Redskins will do their due diligence and shop Rogers around quietly before they really need to make a decision on his long-term future with the Redskins. They'll probably do the same with Campbell. It's pretty standard practice. Will they actually let him go? I suppose it's possible especially with Hall probably signing a nice contract with us and Springs possibly staying but that makes Rogers no more expendable. Because after those three who do you have? Smoot is ok as a dime db, Tryon is fine on special teams but a ways away from being a regular DB on the field, and Westbrook can't even get on the active roster

Redskins could use Rogers as bargaining chip
By Eric Edholm
Jan. 9, 2009

The Redskins are back in a familiar position. A year after having an unusual offseason with almost no free-agent activity and 10 draft picks, the team will be forced to trim some aged and expensive talent and currently has only four draft picks with which to work. The Redskins have first-, third-, fifth- and sixth-round picks, having traded away their second-, fourth- and seventh-round picks in separate deals for Jason Taylor, Pete Kendall and Erasmus James. The team wants to add picks and might have the depth at cornerback to make a trade. The most likely to go? Believe it or not, Carlos Rogers. Through the first part of the season, Rogers was playing at a Pro Bowl level, but he fell off and eventually was demoted to playing nine defensive snaps in the loss to the Bengals. The club would like to work out a long-term deal with free-agent-to-be DeAngelo Hall, and not Rogers — whose deal has one year remaining — and could use him as trade bait. One estimated guess at Rogers’ value: a second-round pick, which would offset the draft-pick shortage somewhat.

So do you think that we would trade him for a second rounder?