Mike Martz

I still tend to agree w/ him, but it's pretty obvious, almost painfully obvious, the playbook has to be expanded to make our offense really competitive. Been wondering if Zorn just hasn't trusted the guys enough, not just the rooks but JC and the rest of the veteran squad also, to open things up and get crafty? From his perspective it's pretty reasonable to demand execution on the simple stuff before graduating his players to the "magic" we all know resides in WCO land.
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I think that's how he sees it.

nnoooooooooo!!!!!!!! All it would be is another Al Saunders. We need continuity.

I disagree. Zorn wore way too many hats this year, what with running the whole show, calling his own plays AND acting as JC's position coach; the end result was a too-predictable attack and often silly clock/execution mistakes in games. Bringing in an OC who would call the plays lets him focus more on continuing to coach his QB up, and getting the rest of his team to play harder for him than they did this year after that stellar 6-2 start.

Besides, Martz is nothing if not a brilliant offensive coordinator. The man knows how to go at defenses and score points in bunches. After the year this fledgling Midwest Coast Offense has just had I for one would love me a little of that.

Martz looks like a deer in the headlights, or like Eli.

Martz looks like a deer in the headlights, or like Eli.
A superbowl champ in the past decade? Oh yeah, they both have that!

Not that I think that he's the guy for the job. Besides, why would Zorn can his own boy after one year?

Only if you're interested in killing off Jason Campbell. And I'm not talking about having to learn a new offensive system.

i just thought with every one calling for a vertical passing game, this would be the man. im not if he is? but that offense of ours was painful to watch most of the year

i just thought with every one calling for a vertical passing game, this would be the man. im not if he is? but that offense of ours was painful to watch most of the year

Lets face it, our offense has been painful to watch ever since Norv Turner got the axe. Marty never had time to get it going. Spurrier got our QB killed. Gibbs/ Saunders were never consistent. Now we have Zorn and the ever so popular WCO. It is going to take at least another season for the guys to get comfortable running it. Remember how long it to McNabb to develop?

Martz is not a West Coast coordinator. Its like trying to make a cover 2 corner play man to man... the 2 do not mesh. Martz would have to learn the WCO or they would have to reinstall the Vertical passing game. That is exactly the type of change that we do not need. If we do not pick one system and stick with it, then our offense is going to be forever dreadful.

In reality I do not expect to see significant strides in the offense for another 2 seasons. It is unrealistic to expect a Juggernaut in less than 4 seasons unless you already have a Pro Bowl Caliber QB. As much as I like JC he is not there yet. If we just stay on pace and keep at it, we can get there. No more changes.

I understand that I am reiterating several thing that were already said by other posters, but it seems necessary because I do not think that everyone truly grasps the intricacies of what would have to happen to bring Martz in. Thanks for your time.

Another new offense?

Brilliant.

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If there was a time to bring in Martz it would have been last year so he could build off of Saunders offense, not now. If we bring someone in, it will be a WCO guru.

I'd love Snyder to offer Holmgren something like $1 million to become an 'offensive consultant' or something. Nothing official like a coaching position or threatening to Cerrato or Zorn's job, but something that will let him work closely with Zorn on developing the offense while not being around all the time.

Sources from ESPN and NFL.COM said that Holmgren will take a year off in 2009 and considering a comeback in 2010 as a GM or president.