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I must say 30, I wasn't a big fan of your "emotion" thread but other than that I like the threads you start. Good discussion.

It is difficult to teach the WCO, when only one person on the offensive staff really understands. And I imagine it's also difficult when one part of the offense is trying to learn the WCO, while another (the running game) is using the same schemes as last year.I think he got the point across though. Our recent struggles have little to do with players not knowing the system, IMO. We just can't block for the runners anymore.

So we're left with with a passing offense that's effective, snap to snap, but not good enough to get into the end-zone all by itself. I don't think were very far from the point where the passing offense could be effective without a rushing offense, but we clearly need our receivers to develop before we are there.

Earlier in the season, the running game was there when we needed it. I just don't think it is anymore. I doubt this is because of any lack of knowledge. I just think our OL without Samuels has no prefered side that we can get behind when we really need yards.

*Re-tool* *Zorn w/ a WCO staff*

How about your thoughts on our coaching staff?

Don't you think Zorn deserves at least another year instead of starting over?

Zorn had more success then people expected and he did it with a staff he didn't get to pick, a staff that doesn't even know the WCO, a staff short a position coach (QB coach).

Hasn't Zorn at least earned the right to coach another year with a full coaching staff that knows the WCO?

It was meant to be a sarcastic joke. but if we are going to have another discussion on this topic. I think Zorn or any coach should have atleast 2-3 years to emplement his system. Will Snyder give him that? My only issue/issues with Zorn is ...He's not showing he can adapt. He has not adapted his offense for his players. He has not adapted his offense during the season so other teams will not know what we are doing. He does not adapt during half time. He kinda reminds me of Spurrier in that he tried to force his system on a team that did not have the tools to emplement his system with. I'm at a cross roads with him. The offense has shown little improvement and thats the basis of this offense. It's supposed to be a passing oriented scoring machine according to Zorn. We havn't put up more then 20 points.

If and I mean if the team, and namely its offense showed improvement then I would say yes keep him. I just don't see that happening with the injuries on the line. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm not a foot ball coach. I'm not seeing were all the break downs are and I'm sure Snyder will have to understand and take that into consideration. Maybe there is no consideration. Maybe all our talk is BS and Snyder plans on keeping him anyway. We'll all find out soon though. The seasons almost over.

Playcalling hasn't been good for the last 8 weeks or so. There are some good calls sprinkled in here and there but for the most part it's been lacking.

Creativity is very important in today's game. I just don't know enough about Zorn to say he has it or doesn't have an ability to call plays. Right now, I haven't seen the creativity from him that i would like to see.

Playcalling hasn't been good for the last 8 weeks or so. There are some good calls sprinkled in here and there but for the most part it's been lacking.

Creativity is very important in today's game. I just don't know enough about Zorn to say he has it or doesn't have an ability to call plays. Right now, I haven't seen the creativity from him that i would like to see.
I like othesr have thought that it was pretty much all on our O Line but after watching the reduced replay of the Dallas/Giants game I'm now not so sure. My point. Both Dallas and the Giants O lines had a very tough time giving their QB's time to make plays and I think both O lines gave up more sacks then we did when we played against them. What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.

What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.

I thought that Zorn did a good job adjusting the playcalling to the pressure; almost too good. My biggest gripe is that Zorn's limited the playcalling too much because of his worries about the offense line. Zorn seemed to rely almost entirely on the 3 step drop passing game to help protect an injured/struggling offense line. In the 2nd Dallas game i thought WR play was a bigger issue then the play-calling.

I like othesr have thought that it was pretty much all on our O Line but after watching the reduced replay of the Dallas/Giants game I'm now not so sure. My point. Both Dallas and the Giants O lines had a very tough time giving their QB's time to make plays and I think both O lines gave up more sacks then we did when we played against them. What I noticed is that Dallas adjusted to the rush by their play calling and found a way to move the ball. The Giants did not adjust so they lost. My point is that it seems that we never did do a good job of adjusting to what the other teams D was giving us when trying to preasur the QB.

No doubt. I mean, at Balt, it took us til 2 minutes left in the second to throw a checkdown. Almost a whole half, to beat a blitz. This isn't reinventing the wheel here. We didn't stop it so Balt kept doing it. Why don't teams blitz all the time? For knowledge that coaches will adjust to it and make a big play. We either haven't adjusted for it, have executed the adjustment, or don't have the personel (QB, RB, Hot Read WR's) to adjust to it.

And yes, for those that want to put it all on the oline, i think they devaluing our line play. Yes, they've had some bad games, but good playcalling and QB execution will overcome some mediocre line play. Pitts, Indi, Dal are a few of the top teams that have had horrendous line play this year. Worse than ours.

No doubt. I mean, at Balt, it took us til 2 minutes left in the second to throw a checkdown. Almost a whole half, to beat a blitz. This isn't reinventing the wheel here. We didn't stop it so Balt kept doing it. Why don't teams blitz all the time? For knowledge that coaches will adjust to it and make a big play. We either haven't adjusted for it, have executed the adjustment, or don't have the personel (QB, RB, Hot Read WR's) to adjust to it.

And yes, for those that want to put it all on the oline, i think they devaluing our line play. Yes, they've had some bad games, but good playcalling and QB execution will overcome some mediocre line play. Pitts, Indi, Dal are a few of the top teams that have had horrendous line play this year. Worse than ours.


Our line didn't look as bad as it could because Zorn went to great lengths too protect them. As the offensive line play declined Zorn called more and more 3 step drop passes and now it seems like that's all we do hitches, quick outs and screens.

I seriously doubt that many people would agree with you that Indi and Dal have worse offensive line play then we do.

No doubt. I mean, at Balt, it took us til 2 minutes left in the second to throw a checkdown. Almost a whole half, to beat a blitz. This isn't reinventing the wheel here. We didn't stop it so Balt kept doing it. Why don't teams blitz all the time? For knowledge that coaches will adjust to it and make a big play. We either haven't adjusted for it, have executed the adjustment, or don't have the personel (QB, RB, Hot Read WR's) to adjust to it.

And yes, for those that want to put it all on the oline, i think they devaluing our line play. Yes, they've had some bad games, but good playcalling and QB execution will overcome some mediocre line play. Pitts, Indi, Dal are a few of the top teams that have had horrendous line play this year. Worse than ours.Great post. Count Blache out of that group.

The OL takes too much of it. Through the Seattle game, they were opening holes for the running game, and keeping us above float. The problems were starting to form before they declined to current levels.

We still need to address the unit, obviously. But our issues go far deeper than our OL not being competitive.

Great post. Count Blache out of that group.

The OL takes too much of it. Through the Seattle game, they were opening holes for the running game, and keeping us above float. The problems were starting to form before they declined to current levels.

We still need to address the unit, obviously. But our issues go far deeper than our OL not being competitive.
The speculation remains endless as to who/what is at fault for the collapse this year and there is plenty of blame to go around.
When trying to correct any "process" or problem where multiple breakdowns may exist, note the following. It is done on a "worst first" basis.
While it is true, better QB play and other component play would have relieved some of the symtoms resulting in a better end result, the problem remains. Our O-line was run-over most of the year, and must be addressed. When that is fixed, what is the next "worst" problem. When the known problems have been addressed, see how they affect the "suspected" problems, and adjust accordingly.
In principle.............simple
And this is what we must do

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