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Miller101 12-16-2008, 11:37 AM I don't agree with Wilbon. Zorn has a very good offensive line coach in Joe Bugel yet he can't seem how to figure out "Protection". I mean, he has JOE BUGEL. HE HAS A GUY WE KNOW OR AT LEAST KNEW AS BOSSHOG. He has a guy that built his reputation by pounding the rock and protecting the quarterback. Heck, Buges even got a head coaching job just because he was so freaking good at it!
And yet, in Zorn's offense. Campbell can't be protected!!! WTF!!!!! Does Zorn just not listen to Buges? Or is Buges just a washed up old man that can't coach no more..........
You know, against Baltimore Devin Thomas was open for a quick six. But, Campbell wasn't protected and it ended up being a interception and a 14 point swing that the Redskins couldn't overcome! Zorn needs to realize that he has Buges for either 18 more games or just two. Zorn needs to swallow more of his pride and arrogance and pick Buges' brain about "protection" in his offensive schemes. Because right now our offense keeps getting blitzed when it starts to get in sync and then it sputters. Right now, Campbell can't do nothing because he's ducking everytime he's chucking. And that is a flaw in Zorn's offense. Especially when every team that Zorn has played against has ALWAYS found a way to bring pressure when they MUST bring it. Zorn MUST fix that. Until he does............screw him! I don't want a coach here with a flawed offense!
53Fan 12-16-2008, 12:01 PM How could anyone blame him??? Even if he has lost the support of the players, this would be the right time for Snyder to come out and say forcefully, that JZ is our coach and the team will be his going forward. Thats what you do with a first year HC
So Jack Kent Cooke was to blame for bringing in an unqualifed HC who went 8-8. Joe Gibbs retired. The re-treads available looked awful. Danny took a chance. no blame there.
WOW WHAT A MISTAKE THAT WOULD BE. Cowher will not come back with a "fire in the belly" and would be a terrible fit with the Redskins. I am sure a lot of people disagree, but, put me on the record as saying Cowhers success was due as much to the patience of an owner who trusted the man he put in charge, as Cowher's own ability. Snyder needs to demonstrate that now with JZ, not by going and getting a "superstar" head coach.
Again, Cowher had 1!!!! SB win in 15 years. Yes he was a good to above average coach, but again, he had 15 CONSECUTIVE years before he won a SB, how about we give JZ 3?
I hate the cowher love, or the anybody but who we have love- it is the essence of what made Snyder a bad owner in the beginning:
Look at the Giants D, how many ex Skins are on it, but we had to have a star
Look at the backup qbs in the league, how many are ex Skins.
Football, and winning football, is developed through PATIENCE, finding talent, and growth of that talent.
I am sick of the constant tumult of the Skins, I too want to see multiple SB championships come to DC, but the way to do that is NOT by seeking the latest/greatest, but by working with and growing the talent we have.
thanks for listening to my :rant: I really needed to vent all this.
:headbange I love this post. Very good points CRedskinsRule!
joethiesmanfan 12-16-2008, 12:04 PM I don't agree with Wilbon. Zorn has a very good offensive line coach in Joe Bugel yet he can't seem how to figure out "Protection". I mean, he has JOE BUGEL. HE HAS A GUY WE KNOW OR AT LEAST KNEW AS BOSSHOG. He has a guy that built his reputation by pounding the rock and protecting the quarterback. Heck, Buges even got a head coaching job just because he was so freaking good at it!
And yet, in Zorn's offense. Campbell can't be protected!!! WTF!!!!! Does Zorn just not listen to Buges? Or is Buges just a washed up old man that can't coach no more..........
You know, against Baltimore Devin Thomas was open for a quick six. But, Campbell wasn't protected and it ended up being a interception and a 14 point swing that the Redskins couldn't overcome! Zorn needs to realize that he has Buges for either 18 more games or just two. Zorn needs to swallow more of his pride and arrogance and pick Buges' brain about "protection" in his offensive schemes. Because right now our offense keeps getting blitzed when it starts to get in sync and then it sputters. Right now, Campbell can't do nothing because he's ducking everytime he's chucking. And that is a flaw in Zorn's offense. Especially when every team that Zorn has played against has ALWAYS found a way to bring pressure when they MUST bring it. Zorn MUST fix that. Until he does............screw him! I don't want a coach here with a flawed offense!
I agree totally!!!! Teams send overload blitzes when they are desperate and can't stop the offense. Teams send overload blitzes on us because we can't figure out how to make them pay for it. It's like Defensive coordinators don't respect our offensive "GENIUS".
joethiesmanfan 12-16-2008, 12:11 PM What's to question about these moves. Especially Alexander? He knew the system already -- and we had an injured RB, and he's a few years removed from a league MVP. We needed a running back for a short time, we got one that needed no transition into the offense, and luckily didn't have to play much.
Placemeier was somewhat necessary. Brooks wasn't getting it done.
I am no fan of Seatle under Holmgren, they are soft and they have always been soft. Even Zorn said Betts and Portis hit the hole with violence. Mr. Softee wasn't the answer. I would have rather had Rock in there. The point is Zorn does not recognize Mr. Softee. When he was a coach for Seattle. WCO ain't Redskins football.
44ever 12-16-2008, 12:11 PM he must have been reading my post replys. I agree 100% good article!
wilsowilso 12-16-2008, 12:34 PM I don't agree with Wilbon. Zorn has a very good offensive line coach in Joe Bugel yet he can't seem how to figure out "Protection". I mean, he has JOE BUGEL. HE HAS A GUY WE KNOW OR AT LEAST KNEW AS BOSSHOG. He has a guy that built his reputation by pounding the rock and protecting the quarterback. Heck, Buges even got a head coaching job just because he was so freaking good at it!
And yet, in Zorn's offense. Campbell can't be protected!!! WTF!!!!! Does Zorn just not listen to Buges? Or is Buges just a washed up old man that can't coach no more..........
You know, against Baltimore Devin Thomas was open for a quick six. But, Campbell wasn't protected and it ended up being a interception and a 14 point swing that the Redskins couldn't overcome! Zorn needs to realize that he has Buges for either 18 more games or just two. Zorn needs to swallow more of his pride and arrogance and pick Buges' brain about "protection" in his offensive schemes. Because right now our offense keeps getting blitzed when it starts to get in sync and then it sputters. Right now, Campbell can't do nothing because he's ducking everytime he's chucking. And that is a flaw in Zorn's offense. Especially when every team that Zorn has played against has ALWAYS found a way to bring pressure when they MUST bring it. Zorn MUST fix that. Until he does............screw him! I don't want a coach here with a flawed offense!
Joe Bugel is washed up. The game has long ago passed him by. The only way we could protect our quarterback under Gibbs 2.0 was in max protect and that's just absurd. Bugel hasn't really developed a single lineman of note in his entire second tenure except maybe Heyer and he is pretty darn average at best. Joe Bugel needs to retire right away.
Again, Cowher had 1!!!! SB win in 15 years. Yes he was a good to above average coach, but again, he had 15 CONSECUTIVE years before he won a SB, how about we give JZ 3?
I hate the cowher love, or the anybody but who we have love- it is the essence of what made Snyder a bad owner in the beginning:
Look at the Giants D, how many ex Skins are on it, but we had to have a star
Look at the backup qbs in the league, how many are ex Skins.
Football, and winning football, is developed through PATIENCE, finding talent, and growth of that talent.
I am sick of the constant tumult of the Skins, I too want to see multiple SB championships come to DC, but the way to do that is NOT by seeking the latest/greatest, but by working with and growing the talent we have.
thanks for listening to my :rant: I really needed to vent all this.
Not that I'm joining the Cower bandwagon, but my God, to downplay him by saying he only won one Super Bowl is a little ridiculous. In fifteen years, he won one Super Bowl, won two Conference Championships and appeared in 5 Conference Championship games and went to the playoffs ten times! And with the exception of Roethlisberger, he had crap quarterbacks. Bill Cower, on average, took the Steelers to the conference Championship game every three years. Put it another way, in the last 17 years in which the Redskins have been unable to win a divisional playoff game, Bill Cower won 5.
His teams went deep into the playoffs with consistent regularity over a long span of years. Let's not just say the man's only accomplishment was one Super Bowl in 15 years.
Joe Kidd 12-16-2008, 12:38 PM Bugel had a big part in developing Dockery.
Funny how quickly the fans turn. Earlier in the year Buges was a genius.
Otis Wonsley 12-16-2008, 12:47 PM In my view it is too early to give up on Zorn even if he has lost the confidence of the locker room. This being his first crisis give him a chance to respond, like Gibbs when his second stint started badly and Marty (0-5 start). If after 3 seasons we are not seeing progress then think about making a coaching change. It's what you committ to in hiring a new first time coach especially with an older team full of holes.
CRedskinsRule 12-16-2008, 12:47 PM Not that I'm joining the Cower bandwagon, but my God, to downplay him by saying he only won one Super Bowl is a little ridiculous. In fifteen years, he won one Super Bowl, won two Conference Championships and appeared in 5 Conference Championship games and went to the playoffs ten times! And with the exception of Roethlisberger, he had crap quarterbacks. Bill Cower, on average, took the Steelers to the conference Championship game every three years. Put it another way, in the last 17 years in which the Redskins have been unable to win a divisional playoff game, Bill Cower won 5.
His teams went deep into the playoffs with consistent regularity over a long span of years. Let's not just say the man's only accomplishment was one Super Bowl in 15 years.
I didn't mean to imply it was his only accomplishment, but I was responding to the comment that wanted to see the Skins win another one before someone dies.
I just want to get away from superstar coach/blockbuster player type answers. We need to develop good organizational habits. That means patience, choosing a path and gutting out the hard times. Any fan of the Redskins has "gutted out" alot of bad years and stuck with this team. I want our FO to do the same with the people they have chosen.
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