I don't really believe in Karma either...

I'll admit upfront I was one of the few Skins fans who really, really believed Gregg Williams should have been promoted to HC within about 24 hrs of Gibbs retirement. As the JLC article (link below) points out, and I think we all knew it whether we liked or disliked Williams, the man who took this defense from an abomination to a top 10 d for three of his four years held immense respect from players, coaches and staff. I think it spoke volumes when players (from both sides of the ball if memory serves) expressed disappointment that he was not retained as the team's leader.

I'll also admit I thought Saunders deserved, based on the preponderance of evidence his long career makes available, the opportunity to be sole commander of the offensive scheme/playcalling for at least one full year. We will remember JC got the opportunity to observe at the end of last season how Saunders offense could engender some real success, and to boot w/ a less talented QB in Collins at the helm.

Snyder clearly chose to take the team in a very different direction, and I'm not just spewing sour grapes here... just give this another thought. As I've gotten more and more sick to my stomach at what has happened to the team I've searched out old articles, reread a lot of material. The JLC article I linked really struck me in January; however the following excitement of Zorn's hire put it to the back of my mind.

Gregg Williams - Expect Him To Withdraw Saturday - Redskins Insider (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/gregg_williams_1.html)

When I read it again (yesterday and about 10 times since) it strikes me even more. With Gibbs, the coach w/ the highest character any of us can think of, still packing his things at Redskins Park Snyder had already regressed into the immature, characterless goon he was 4 years earlier. While my heart goes out to nearly all of the players and most of the coaches (and us fans) over what has happened, I believe Snyder deserves the worst franchise in football. The smear campaign was a testament to his utter lack of decency, and while I don't really believe in Karma either... we reap what we sow.

Williams is barely holding on to a job as defensive coordinator in Jacksonville, and Saunders is the orchestrator of I believe the 2nd worst offense in the NFL with the Rams. So let's just dispense with the bull that either one would have been a savior here.

I'm watching the Philles / Browns game - Do we want to start a new thread about why can't we dominate sides like Phille are dominatinating Cleveland and whether we are toast next w/end

Williams is barely holding on to a job as defensive coordinator in Jacksonville, and Saunders is the orchestrator of I believe the 2nd worst offense in the NFL with the Rams. So let's just dispense with the bull that either one would have been a savior here.

I don't think you could have missed the point by a wider margin (of course I don't really know what you're aiming at to begin with). Honest people may have an honest disagreement whether Williams/Saunders would have continued to make progress in DC; there is no honest or intelligent defense of the way Snyder and presumably Cerrato handled the firing/hiring circus we all witnessed at the beginning of this year.

I would LOVE to know the details behind the decision to not hire G. Williams. I was distraught when it was obvious he wasn't going to be the guy. The intial Zorn hype made me forget but I seriously think that was our last chance to have any continuity.

If Zorn is let go after one mediocre season, I will be turning in my fan card for good.

Anyway, I agree.... Snyder gets what he deserves.

I would LOVE to know the details behind the decision to not hire G. Williams. I was distraught when it was obvious he wasn't going to be the guy. The intial Zorn hype made me forget but I seriously think that was our last chance to have any continuity.

If Zorn is let go after one mediocre season, I will be turning in my fan card for good.

Anyway, I agree.... Snyder gets what he deserves.

Gregg Williams is like Dick Jauron. Good but not good enough!

I don't think you could have missed the point by a wider margin (of course I don't really know what you're aiming at to begin with). Honest people may have an honest disagreement whether Williams/Saunders would have continued to make progress in DC; there is no honest or intelligent defense of the way Snyder and presumably Cerrato handled the firing/hiring circus we all witnessed at the beginning of this year.

None of us actually witnessed what happened in its entirety. What we do know is that a)Snyder and Cerrato spent hours interviewing Williams (and others) and b) there is no evidence that anyone on the Redskins had anything to do with a "smear campaign," people may be determined to believe otherwise though.

My point is, why are we wasting time with talking about Williams, Spagnuolo, Cowher, what we thought of Zorn at the beginning of the season, etc. What's the point of doing that? I mean, I kind of get it I suppose.

I also don't get this Snyder gets what he deserves. If that's the case, then what does he get for getting Robert Royals' family out of Louisiana when Katrina hit, for getting Todd Collins home to be with his wife when she gave birth, for flying the entire organization to Sean Taylor's funeral, and so on

None of us actually witnessed what happened in its entirety. What we do know is that a)Snyder and Cerrato spent hours interviewing Williams (and others) and b) there is no evidence that anyone on the Redskins had anything to do with a "smear campaign," people may be determined to believe otherwise though.

My point is, why are we wasting time with talking about Williams, Spagnuolo, Cowher, what we thought of Zorn at the beginning of the season, etc. What's the point of doing that? I mean, I kind of get it I suppose.

I also don't get this Snyder gets what he deserves. If that's the case, then what does he get for getting Robert Royals' family out of Louisiana when Katrina hit, for getting Todd Collins home to be with his wife when she gave birth, for flying the entire organization to Sean Taylor's funeral, and so on

AGREED! I wish I could have known Jack Kent Cooke in the beginning of his ownership of the Redskins. I wonder if he always made the right choice or how the media would skewer him nowadays. Snyder came in like a raging bull and clearly made some boneheaded football moves, but in terms of caring for his players, or the team, I don't get where the dislike comes from.

If Zorn is let go after one mediocre season, I will be turning in my fan card for good.
I basically agree here; I can't ever really see turning my fan card but letting a rookie head coach go after one season would be a disastrous move for this organization

Didn't Grilliams just get canned? I think it's crazy that fans can't get over the fact we didn't hire him. Move on already, get a life.

If it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, then it's usually a duck.

The process was horrendous from the start.

Gregg Williams...smeared

Steve Spagnola...smeared

I don't trust VC and I wouldn't put it past him to do such a thing thru the media. I don't understand how one could dismiss the idea when there are numerous occurences.