I don't really believe in Karma either...

I'll admit upfront I was one of the few Skins fans who really, really believed Gregg Williams should have been promoted to HC within about 24 hrs of Gibbs retirement. As the JLC article (link below) points out, and I think we all knew it whether we liked or disliked Williams, the man who took this defense from an abomination to a top 10 d for three of his four years held immense respect from players, coaches and staff. I think it spoke volumes when players (from both sides of the ball if memory serves) expressed disappointment that he was not retained as the team's leader.

I'll also admit I thought Saunders deserved, based on the preponderance of evidence his long career makes available, the opportunity to be sole commander of the offensive scheme/playcalling for at least one full year. We will remember JC got the opportunity to observe at the end of last season how Saunders offense could engender some real success, and to boot w/ a less talented QB in Collins at the helm.

Snyder clearly chose to take the team in a very different direction, and I'm not just spewing sour grapes here... just give this another thought. As I've gotten more and more sick to my stomach at what has happened to the team I've searched out old articles, reread a lot of material. The JLC article I linked really struck me in January; however the following excitement of Zorn's hire put it to the back of my mind.

Gregg Williams - Expect Him To Withdraw Saturday - Redskins Insider (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/gregg_williams_1.html)

When I read it again (yesterday and about 10 times since) it strikes me even more. With Gibbs, the coach w/ the highest character any of us can think of, still packing his things at Redskins Park Snyder had already regressed into the immature, characterless goon he was 4 years earlier. While my heart goes out to nearly all of the players and most of the coaches (and us fans) over what has happened, I believe Snyder deserves the worst franchise in football. The smear campaign was a testament to his utter lack of decency, and while I don't really believe in Karma either... we reap what we sow.

Well written, goat. I too have similar fears about Snyder, but I don't feel I have enough to go on to base any judgement when it comes to how the GW situation was handled.

Let's all remember something, Snyder is very wealthy & made his money through a PR/marketing firm. He sees the world through PR glasses, and it seems the crazy way info gets out of Redskins Park indicates that he is very concerned with spinning things or keeping secrets if possible. I think it's hard as a fan to get an honest view of Snyder, he doesn't address the public personally and his organization is always associated w/some kind of media spectacle; lavar's contract, Coles & the plasma tv story, GW, Spagnoulo saying he didn't want the job while Danny said he wasn't offered it, etc.

for those that point out his humanitarian efforts & generosity to his players, I don't doubt there's something good w/in him. It just appears (again, we're lacking good info.) that when things don't go his way, he resorts to such pettiness. It makes it worse that you never hear his side of the story from him. Seems like a PR/marketing mogul would realize that's not good for his fan base.

Man are we going to rehash every decision made over and over again for the next 6 months. Its done and after 8 games everyone was happy as could be but we hit a wall and finding out why we hit that wall is what this team needs to look into.

I guess that when you think about it, continuity would have really happened if Saunders and G-Williams had stayed with the team (with GW as HC). One of my biggest criticism of Gibbs after the season we went 10-6 and made it to the playoffs, was of him bringing Saunders and installing a whole new offense. I thought that this was a misktake b/c brining a new offense is just like starting over again. In the years since Gibbs returned, the offense has been the weak link within the team. If the team had kep Saunders and GW, it would have provided the continuity that this team needed. I know it is pointless in dwelling on the past, but maybe things could have been different.

Oh and let's not forget that Saunders' offense beat us in the regular season, and Williams team gave us a horrible beating during preseason.

I guess that when you think about it, continuity would have really happened if Saunders and G-Williams had stayed with the team (with GW as HC). One of my biggest criticism of Gibbs after the season we went 10-6 and made it to the playoffs, was of him bringing Saunders and installing a whole new offense. I thought that this was a misktake b/c brining a new offense is just like starting over again. In the years since Gibbs returned, the offense has been the weak link within the team. If the team had kep Saunders and GW, it would have provided the continuity that this team needed. I know it is pointless in dwelling on the past, but maybe things could have been different.

Oh and let's not forget that Saunders' offense beat us in the regular season, and Williams team gave us a horrible beating during preseason.

I agree. We've had continuity w/the D but not the O, which is harder to get a team comfortable with. That 06 year was a disaster in part due to players reluctance to learn the new O. Add to that the D had problems w/AA et al.