Redskins v Ravens Offensive GT Review: Skins lose turnover battle, game

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The Goat
12-13-2008, 04:23 PM
When teams have the resources to do so, they do like to double Santana Moss, however, teams don't have enough players on the field to put 8 in the box AND put a safety over the top on Moss. Teams with a single safety against the Redskins will put him in the middle of the field. So while when Moss was hot, teams were scared enough of him to alter their gameplans, that's no longer really the case.

Randle El, obviously, will never be the guy who pulls the strong safety out of the box. He's a complimentary receiver, and a darn good one if the guy he's complimenting is feared. He's also exactly what this offense needs for it's second receiver, a guy who's very dependable on 3rd and 6. Whether he works out of the slot or the outside depends on the play.

Basically, this team needs Malcolm Kelly or Devin Thomas to be a Plaxico-type target, and show enough deep ability to pull a safety out of the box. I think Santana could be lethal out of the slot, but he's only valuable when he's not the guy who people expect to get the ball, which isn't the case right now.

Basically, I'm answering the question "If Kelly/Thomas becomes the number one target on the Redskins, who is the better complementary receiver: Moss or Randle El?" The answer is Randle El. But the question also implies that Kelly/Thomas become the player that we want Moss to be right now, that he simply is not.

This doesn't surprise me. I don't feel like it's a knock on Moss either. The debate whether he's a legit #1 receiving target is sort of moot because the proof is in the pudding i.e. when there is another very potent target the defense has to be mindful of Moss becomes a 2nd #1 receiver in a sense. Moss is phenomenal after the catch, but IMO he lacks the skill of say Smith in Carolina to consistently get open (even against double coverage). We so need Thomas or Kelly to become a monster possession receiver - a #1 target really who has super-glue hands, the ability to snatch the ball out of the air under pressure and in heavy coverage (none of our WRs can do this today) and can consistently get some separation. Very hard to say at this point whether one of them can rise to the challenge. I honestly believe if one of these guys can become that guy during the off-season our offense will be ****ing fantastic next year (assuming we really go to work on the o-line).

GT it was really good to hear you say Campbell played well. To my untrained eye it's very hard to tell whether piss-poor protection and overall line performance is dragging JC down, but in this game especially felt like he was on his game and seeing the field well. I think Jason deserves serious props for this because it basically shows he is progressing while the offensive line disintegrates and he gets beat up most games. I feel more confident in JC now than ever before :)

The Goat
12-13-2008, 04:27 PM
Also GT, I was wondering whether you think R. Thomas is on the decline. Prior to this year I thought he was our best run-blocker when healthy and a very good pass protector. Doesn't seem this way anymore (as you pointed out). Does he need to be replaced next year, and aside from him which lineman do you think need to be replaced for our offense to be effective?

GTripp0012
12-13-2008, 06:20 PM
Also GT, I was wondering whether you think R. Thomas is on the decline. Prior to this year I thought he was our best run-blocker when healthy and a very good pass protector. Doesn't seem this way anymore (as you pointed out). Does he need to be replaced next year, and aside from him which lineman do you think need to be replaced for our offense to be effective?If his level of play stayed exactly where it is right now, I would say he's a liability to the team. Luckily, I think it's more of a down year sort of deal, but his best years are certainly behind him.

I think we can field a good offensive line next year with him at RG, but the coaches should meet him halfway and help him out a little bit with the scheme as he learns the new schemes.

Rabach must be replaced. The rest can stay, but depth must be added.

GTripp0012
12-13-2008, 06:24 PM
GT it was really good to hear you say Campbell played well. To my untrained eye it's very hard to tell whether piss-poor protection and overall line performance is dragging JC down, but in this game especially felt like he was on his game and seeing the field well. I think Jason deserves serious props for this because it basically shows he is progressing while the offensive line disintegrates and he gets beat up most games. I feel more confident in JC now than ever before :)It's hard for a lot of people to tell over the last five games, but it's night and day Campbell from Pittsburgh to New York and Baltimore. He was missing holes in the secondary against Pittsburgh, and generally was confused in the pocket, and held the ball too long. Now he's not holding the ball too long, knows exactly when his teammates SHOULD have the rush picked up, and knows where to go with the football.

It's basically been an entire season of maturation under our (the collective our, not just you and me) noses in the last five games, but we're stuck on what didn't happen against Pittsburgh and Dallas

GTripp0012
12-13-2008, 06:26 PM
This doesn't surprise me. I don't feel like it's a knock on Moss either. The debate whether he's a legit #1 receiving target is sort of moot because the proof is in the pudding i.e. when there is another very potent target the defense has to be mindful of Moss becomes a 2nd #1 receiver in a sense. Moss is phenomenal after the catch, but IMO he lacks the skill of say Smith in Carolina to consistently get open (even against double coverage). We so need Thomas or Kelly to become a monster possession receiver - a #1 target really who has super-glue hands, the ability to snatch the ball out of the air under pressure and in heavy coverage (none of our WRs can do this today) and can consistently get some separation. Very hard to say at this point whether one of them can rise to the challenge. I honestly believe if one of these guys can become that guy during the off-season our offense will be ****ing fantastic next year (assuming we really go to work on the o-line).I should point out that Plax has never been a very reliable player at any point in his career either. But if they can bring the spectacular to the offense, I feel the consistency will come shortly behind.

The Goat
12-13-2008, 06:38 PM
I should point out that Plax has never been a very reliable player at any point in his career either. But if they can bring the spectacular to the offense, I feel the consistency will come shortly behind.

I don't want to have anything to do w/ Plax. Really I don't think we should have to focus on making another big addition to the WR position - can't always just count on recruiting already developed talent - the coaches should work like hell on Thomas/Kelly. IMO odds are one of those guys should have the talent/ambition to be the weapon opposite Moss.

Just hoping we spend FA money and draft picks on trench talent. Replace Rabach like you said. Bring in a franchise RT to replace Jansen (do you think Jansen can be persuaded to save us some money and move to the guard position or backup RT?) and get a monster DT. Oh, and another solid OLB. How's that for a Christmas wish list!

GTripp0012
12-13-2008, 06:42 PM
I don't want to have anything to do w/ Plax. Really I don't think we should have to focus on making another big addition to the WR position - can't always just count on recruiting already developed talent - the coaches should work like hell on Thomas/Kelly. IMO odds are one of those guys should have the talent/ambition to be the weapon opposite Moss.

Just hoping we spend FA money and draft picks on trench talent. Replace Rabach like you said. Bring in a franchise RT to replace Jansen (do you think Jansen can be persuaded to save us some money and move to the guard position or backup RT?) and get a monster DT. Oh, and another solid OLB. How's that for a Christmas wish list!There's not a whole lot we can do with Jansen since most of his contract was already paid to him at the time. Not a whole lot of non-guarenteed cash in that deal for the first three years. Luckily, I don't really see Jansen has the huge problem others do. I think he's totally overmatched against elite ends, and will give up sacks to great players, but he generally knows what he's doing, and although his future is probably on the interior, we could do worse than to suck it up for one more year with him at RT.

And I hope either Kelly or Thomas is the solution, or a team that badly needs to hit on it's draft picks pissed away an entire opportunity to do so. Definately not looking WR in the draft this year.

GTripp0012
12-13-2008, 08:47 PM
Campbell's attention to detail evident in delvelopment - Hog Heaven (http://redskinshogheaven.com/2008/12/campbells-attention-to-detail-evident-in-delvelopment.html)

Wrote a bunch of words here, basically proving that Jason Campbell's "regression" is nothing more than a bump in the road that he already overcame. Got too high after the Detroit game, torn down (literally, by NFL defenses), rebuilt, and now we have a solid QB again.

Can't seem to spell development correctly though.

GTripp0012
12-13-2008, 09:18 PM
Yay! Game valuation!

Game Valuation
1. Jason Campbell
2. Mike Sellers
3. Ladell Betts
4. Pete Kendall
5. Casey Rabach
6. Santana Moss
7. Devin Thomas
8. Chris Samuels
9. Chris Cooley
10. Clinton Portis
11. Stephon Heyer
12. Antwaan Randle El
13. Jon Jansen
14. Todd Yoder
15. Malcolm Kelly
16. Randy Thomas
17. Justin Geisinger
18. James Thrash

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