Clinton Portis on the JT Show

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MTK
12-10-2008, 12:27 AM
Been saying this for months...
Re: Don't you think we are overreacting just a bit?? (http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/25030-dont-you-think-we-overreacting-just-post473338.html#post473338)

Back then people thought I was nuts.


Congrats to you sir, you picked up on something I didn't.

53Fan
12-10-2008, 12:53 AM
Did you watch the Zorn presser? He wasn't ripping Portis. He didn't say he was benched because he didn't practice. He said Betts was doing better in the passing game (basically), that they were behind and had to pass, that they were trying to get Portis healthy, etc. I know what Portis is referring to, the part where Zorn said that Portis was helping too much in pass pro and not getting into routes, but it takes a pretty thin skin to take that to the level that Portis did. He is a great player, but super high maintanence as well. Gibbs understood that (or accomodated that) and coddled Portis. Zorn is not. Now Portis is pouting. But it's BS. Zorn might be well advised to follow a more Gibbsian model in his pressers (the reporters hated it, but being tight lipped helps hold a locker room together) but that is not his style and I doubt he will pull back. But go watch the presser and see if you think Zorn's comments warranted a very Owens-like outburst by Clinton Portis.

Having said all that, much of the offensive struggles have to fall to Zorn. If your offense, that you implemented and call plays in, has scored fewer points than Detroit then execution is probably not the only problem. But Portis' comments are still way out of line.

:goodjob:

Skinner
12-10-2008, 02:22 AM
Clinton shouldn't have aired this out in the media, but he has every right to be upset. Zorn's decision making lately has been absolutely terrible.

Defensewins
12-10-2008, 02:40 AM
The same should go for Zorn.

Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.

DynamiteRave
12-10-2008, 02:46 AM
Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.

You make it sound like our front office is hanging Zorn out to dry on purpose? But I think it has less to do with the front office and more with the players. They have to work with Zorn on a day-to-day basis. I think the front office would support him, more or less.. At least in front of the cameras.

tryfuhl
12-10-2008, 07:13 AM
man, just sitting back and observing this i have a few feelings

1) zorn may know what's up with a player's condition
2) if your lead player wants to play, let him
3) do we let the star player who usually shuts his damn mouth, but could become much more electric vocally talk... or should we have him retain his gibbs'esqueness?

i think that it's a good thing for portis to speak out

we have the one damn star of this team and of course he has frustrations...

i'm not nearly about to give up on zorn, but he probably has just as much clue as portis as to how to run this thing as of now

can't even imagine what it brings next season

tryfuhl
12-10-2008, 07:20 AM
will read through the rest later but there are a few people on our team that deserve a championship atmosphere.. hopefully we can provide that

I don't think that zorn's career as an HC is over.. I'm just not sure he was ready for the multitude of choices and opportunities that may have surrounded him.. I'm not even ready to give up on him myself.. I just think that he needs to find his way..

tryfuhl
12-10-2008, 07:26 AM
This would've never happened if Gibbs was still around. Boy, I start missing Gibbs v.2.0 more and more every Sunday.
whatever man

no matter how good of a coach, you may see it int he media as being lovey dovey

but there WILL BE malcontent

SmootSmack
12-10-2008, 07:40 AM
Absolutely. But it starts at the top. Have we ever heard Snyder or Cerratto take any blame for the countless past mistakes/growing pains made by the FO? I have never heard it.
A team is a reflection of its owner, GM and coach.
Norv Turner, Terry Robiskie, Marty Schottenheimer, Steve Spurrier, Joe Gibbs and now Jim Zorn. Six Coaches in eight years....and now the rumors from the FO. Nice.

You need to read more articles. I've read it plenty from both, especially Snyder.

tryfuhl
12-10-2008, 07:42 AM
take a top tier back and put him in our offense

wonder there hasn't been people murdered

all i gotta say

someone wanna explain why CP was out when there was no injury report? get back to me

not saying he would've saved the game, just wondering

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