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JWsleep 12-09-2008, 08:14 PM Well it does seem as though Zorn was like well we're gonna lose this game so lets not injury him any further.
And it wasn't like CP was burning it up out there. Plus, Ladell was good on the pass--some of our only offense, really. CP needs to calm the **** down.
The Goat 12-09-2008, 08:26 PM This is the worst side of CP IMO (i think most of us on the board see it about the same). That said, I don't find any of this troublesome. Zorn, from everything i've seen and heard from him, doesn't take or give anything on a personal level. I guess he may be showing one side in public and another in the locker room and one-on-one, but I more or less doubt it. And because Zorn doesn't take this shit personal than CP will come out looking the fool as he should. The test then really comes back on Portis: is there too much ego to get beyond his own guffaws, in which case he starts looking to go somewhere else? Or does he take a step back? Really hard to say.
As to the laying of blame on offensive production I hope Campbell isn't pointing fingers and isolating himself in the locker room (and I really doubt it anyway). Zorn is right about the shoddy execution. Sure he can't satisfy the fans and just say "The line sucks donkey balls and by the way our receivers drop a lot of passes and run in circles part of the time." No, Zorn has to leave it general w/ comments about production. He's right. If we executed well we'd be moving the ball and scoring. This group on offense has absolutely no right to whine about scheme. For years it has executed poorly for long stretches and on big games, regardless of coach and scheme. Again, I think Zorn has what it takes to rise above the BS, not sure if he has what it takes to lead. It's a very fine line IMO between tough love - calling the guys out on execution - and becoming a bad guy. As the zen master says... we'll see.
lemelgibson 12-09-2008, 08:40 PM I understand how portis feels, bottom line, zorn is not taking enough responsibility for the offensive woes. I mean come on Gibb's offensive scheme seemed to get everybody involved. Look at Mike Sellers stats from last year and compare them to this year. Why does Cooley only have 1 td. This is the same o line from last year; why are we giving up so many sacks compare to last season. ZORN NEED'S TO MAN UP!!!!!!!!!!
YellowBirdy 12-09-2008, 09:16 PM This doesn’t look good either for the rest of the season or for Zorn. I think what CP did is totally wrong but I think that by calling players out all season Zorn has made this much more likely to happen. I think players must feel it’s a two way street and feel it’s ok to criticize the Coach if he publicly puts the blame on them after games for losses.
I think CP should suck it up and keep his comments private but I also think Zorn should grow a pair and at least in public back his players and take on some responsibility when our/his Offence completely fails to perform.
sportscurmudgeon 12-09-2008, 09:44 PM We do have a "body of evidence" to look at here - - and some of the data is conflicting:
1. Portis called out his O-Line early this year as not being all that good. He said that he would like to see what numbers he could put up if he played behind a top level O-Line. OK, he's basically right; this O-Line is mediocre. But is that what one would want to hear from a "teammate" if one were one of the O-Linemen? :spank:
2. Later, B-Mitch called out Portis for his improper comments and Portis lashed back. OK, he doesn't like to be called out by someone who many think should be a HoF player - - not an unnatural position. But getting into a pissing match with a guy who sits behind a radio microphone 5 days a week is STUPID to the max. Back in the 1920s someone once observed that you shoud never pick a fight with anyone who buys paper by the freight carload and ink by the barrel; in 2008, you don't pick fights with sports radio hosts. :nono:
3. Now, Portis is pissed because he didn't get to play on Sunday night. Gee, why didn't he threaten to hold his breath until he turned blue on the sidelines unless he got back in the game? Zorn says he missed some assignments; we DO know that he fumbled and that his fumble resulted in a TD. :confused:
Matty: Good thing for Portis that the Skins no longer have Sultan Mugillicuddy on the practice squad or you would have 17 threads by now saying how Portis needs to be cut so that the brilliance and Pro Bowl talent of Sultan can be showcased and revealed to NFL fans worldwide... :)
schndr_tdd 12-09-2008, 09:57 PM Bad QB play,awful OL play,WRs cant catch a cold, RB cant hold on to the ball,awful play calling at times,etc.etc..You name it the Redskins have alot of problems.But for Portis to run his mouth about his coach is not the way to vent his frustration.What if the Redskins were 13-0 right now,and Zorn benched him,would he run his gums then.I like Portis dont get me wrong,but im tired of the finger pointing.The defense is trying to keep all of this together does anyone care about them working there asses off.
GoSkins! 12-09-2008, 10:15 PM Just people I've talked to have said that Zorn is treating veterans and rookies equally and that just doesn't work in the NFL. Veterans expect a different level of respect. Further, almost all the players don't like that he's been calling out the players on execution and seemingly taking no blame for the schemes. Additionally, some players say that Campbell has been blaming others in the locker room for his struggles. It's a bit of a mess right now mainly stemming from losing and the frustrations that go along with that.
Having a tight, cohesive locker room is one of (some would say the only one) Gibbs' traits that is sorely missed right now. But I think it's a passing thing that will improve.
Been saying this for months...
Re: Don't you think we are overreacting just a bit?? (http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-locker-room/25030-dont-you-think-we-overreacting-just-post473338.html#post473338)
Back then people thought I was nuts.
maroonandblack30 12-09-2008, 10:19 PM So was Zorn a douche in every game that we lost? Because he has taken it upon himself to blast players for week now.
I have listened to every post game presser from JZ... he has never blasted players. Please give me an example.... I must have missed something.
maroonandblack30 12-09-2008, 10:40 PM Just listened to the whole CP interview. Definitely sounds like JZ is losing the locker room. Definitely needs to be addressed.
The fact that CP mocked JZ as a "genius" tells me he has zero respect for the guy.
Also, in the interview CP said that JC is basically given a formation and then he has to call the play from there... if thats true I think JC deserves a lot less critisism than he is getting. He is actually doind a decent job in first year in the WCO.
GoSkins! 12-09-2008, 10:40 PM I have listened to every post game presser from JZ... he has never blasted players. Please give me an example.... I must have missed something.
How many times have you heard him say "we just failed to execute"....
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