D.C. Examiner: Zorn's job in jeopardy? (not so fast he's coming back)

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GTripp0012
12-14-2008, 11:58 PM
Bottom line is we don't give up a lot of points and I believe we're at the top of the NFL in 3 and outs. Blache has more than done his job.No. Because Dallas is holding New York to three offensive points right now, and Philly held them to seven offensive points last week. Meanwhile, this exact same struggling OL managed to pile up 400+ yards of offense against us. Same thing with Dallas two weeks before. The overall product is right around the top ten range, but that's the talent carrying over. Blache has hurt us when we needed him most, against the opponents who know us the best.

If he gets outcoached by the rest of the NFL, I'm more forgiving. He gets outcoached by the rest of the NFC East (and he'll have one more shot next week), and we can't justify keeping him around.

GTripp0012
12-15-2008, 12:00 AM
I tell you what, if his schemes beat Reid and Morningweg's schemes next week, I'll openly support him returning in the offseason. If he pulls the trifecta of getting outcoached within the division, I'm done with Blache.

30gut
12-15-2008, 12:06 AM
If you were Dan Snyder would Zorn's job be in jeopardy?

That's a trick question because if i was Snyder Zorn's job would be in jeopardy because that is exactly the kind of bone football decisions that he makes.

RMSkins
12-15-2008, 12:10 AM
No. Because Dallas is holding New York to three offensive points right now, and Philly held them to seven offensive points last week. Meanwhile, this exact same struggling OL managed to pile up 400+ yards of offense against us. Same thing with Dallas two weeks before. The overall product is right around the top ten range, but that's the talent carrying over. Blache has hurt us when we needed him most, against the opponents who know us the best.

If he gets outcoached by the rest of the NFL, I'm more forgiving. He gets outcoached by the rest of the NFC East (and he'll have one more shot next week), and we can't justify keeping him around.
I would hate to see this defense if Blache was on top of his game. Opposing offenses would be lucky to gain 150 yards, and score 3 points against us. I'm sorry Tripp, but I can't imagine this defense playing much better than what they already have this season.

GTripp0012
12-15-2008, 12:14 AM
I would hate to see this defense if Blache was on top of his game. Opposing offenses would be lucky to gain 150 yards, and score 3 points against us. I'm sorry Tripp, but I can't imagine this defense playing much better than what they already have this season.What about last year? We were much better last year.

Even post Taylor. We didn't blitz a whole lot, disguised coverages well, and got production from our DL. Carter had ten sacks.

We're an above average unit, but we are also the worst defense in the division. I think you could make an argument that we're also the worst offense in the division, but we are the worst defense, and the worst coached defense in the NFC East. If we want to be competitive, we have to compare ourselves to the competition in the East, not the rest of the NFL.

The first turnover did not help, for sure. But to think that any other defense in the division would play that poorly in Cincinnati is insanity.

RMSkins
12-15-2008, 12:20 AM
What about last year? We were much better last year.

Even post Taylor. We didn't blitz a whole lot, disguised coverages well, and got production from our DL. Carter had ten sacks.

We're an above average unit, but we are also the worst defense in the division. I think you could make an argument that we're also the worst offense in the division, but we are the worst defense, and the worst coached defense in the NFC East. If we want to be competitive, we have to compare ourselves to the competition in the East, not the rest of the NFL.
I see what you're saying Tripp, but look at our first loss to the Giants and our loss to the Cowboys. We held the Giants to 16 points and the Cowboys to 14 points. If we had any semblance of an offense in those two games we could've very easily been 4-1 in the division right now.

GTripp0012
12-15-2008, 12:26 AM
I see what you're saying Tripp, but look at our first loss to the Giants and our loss to the Cowboys. We held the Giants to 16 points and the Cowboys to 14 points. If we had any semblance of an offense in those two games we could've very easily been 4-1 in the division right now.14 points because their QB was intercepted on awful throws.

I mean, Romo couldn't even throw the football when he tore us to shreds with dumpoffs to Barber. Couldn't even grip the thing. 6 yards per play for the Cowboys on offense in that game. If not for the two turnovers the defense got, which certainly weren't because of Blache's scheme, we're talking 24-10, maybe 28-10. It was that bad.

Sorry, if a coordinator is unprepared to defend Byron Leftwich, unprepared to take away the passes a QB with a broken thumb can make, unprepared to adjust after Eli Manning beats 8 consecutive blitzes in the rain, he can't coach for a playoff team. We could have won all those games by playing smarter. Who knows if we would have. But we made it easy on them. By my standards, that's grounds for dismissal.

And I realize the total product has been good. We've played some really incompetent passing games. This pass defense is closer to 2006 than 2007, and I was frustrated with Grilliams after 2006.

Joe Kidd
12-15-2008, 12:31 AM
I'm voting yes, but I wouldn't say his job should be in "jeopardy" per say. Bring him back for another year but he's definitely on the hot seat to show significant improvement in 2009.

What I'm interested to see is how Snyder will see all of this. Is he truly committed to Zorn for the long haul or was he just a stop gap until a sexier name became available? We'll see the answer soon enough.

MTK
12-15-2008, 01:01 AM
Today's loss must have Snyder seething, check out some of this, take from it what you will:

Standing just to the podium's side, next to the interview room door was Karl Swanson, a publicity official for owner Daniel Snyder. And while the room was smaller than most in the NFL, he had never taken such a prominent position at a Zorn press conference. The tone was more stern, the mood more ominous.

"So many little things occurred throughout the course of the game that we must look at," Zorn said. "We must play better if we want to earn the right to win. You have to earn a win in this league. We must play better if we are going to earn the right to win. We certainly didn't earn the right to win today."

After a handful of questions, another Redskins official cut the press conference short, the first time such a thing has happened this season.

Looming over everything was the odd tiff that developed this week when star running back Clinton Portis criticized Zorn in a radio interview. Even though Portis later seemed to back away from the comments after a long meeting with Zorn on Wednesday and said nothing critical about the coach on Sunday, the controversy has taken a life of its own. The fact Portis is a favorite of Snyder's led to speculation that Zorn might be in danger of losing his job and might already have lost respect among the players he is coaching. link: Suddenly a Not-So-Fun Bunch - washingtonpost.com (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/14/AR2008121402534.html)

skinsfan69
12-15-2008, 01:29 AM
No. Because Dallas is holding New York to three offensive points right now, and Philly held them to seven offensive points last week. Meanwhile, this exact same struggling OL managed to pile up 400+ yards of offense against us. Same thing with Dallas two weeks before. The overall product is right around the top ten range, but that's the talent carrying over. Blache has hurt us when we needed him most, against the opponents who know us the best.

If he gets outcoached by the rest of the NFL, I'm more forgiving. He gets outcoached by the rest of the NFC East (and he'll have one more shot next week), and we can't justify keeping him around.

Give me a break. The defense still holds the point total down and gives our offense the ball back. That's the bottom line. You can spin it anyway you want to. Dallas has better players on their defense than we do. Do we have anyone that can dominate like Ware or Ratliff? No. Simply put, when Dallas' front 7 decides to play to their potential they're pretty damn good. And the Giants wr's just beat our CB's. Hixon just beat our guys. Manning made some perfect throws. Why do you blame that on scheme? You simply refuse to give credit to the Giants for having better players.

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