Zorn has to take some blame

I would agree with criticism of Zorn over some of the bizarre game management type decisions (using your last challenge to push them back 5 yards), but I also think he is doing the best he can with limited offensive personnel.

Looking back those early wins were great but neither the Saints, nor the Cards have great or even good defenses, and I think now we might have to acknowledge that some of the stuff that worked against the Eagles and in the first Cowgirls game worked in part because of the lack of tape on Zorny's offense. Kind of like a pitcher getting off to a hot start in baseball, and then getting lit up his 2nd or 3rd time around the league.

The more concerning problem is the simple lack of playmakers on offense. Everyone knows CP is the horse and they load up to stop him. People shade a safety over Moss all the time because there is no second receiver that scares them. In addition, now when Moss does get open down the field, JC does not have the time to get him the ball.

I think Zorn will continue to improve as a play-caller as he gains experience, and he does seem to have a good knack for in-game adjustments (something that seemed to be lacking in Gibbs 2.0), as witnessed by the use of screens tonight. But until we get and/or develop some secondary receiving threats, we're going to continue to see more of the same.

Zorn and this whole offense are a work in progress. I know it's not very satisfying right now, but we have a good draft, pick up a couple of FA's and I think we're gonna look pretty good next year. I'm always optimistic but I never thought we'd win the Super Bowl this year.

Problem is that our core strength or reason we've been competitive the past 6 years will be gone. samuels, kendall, rabach, thomas, jansen, moss, ARE, portis, fletcher, griffin, springs and maybe JC (with his K being up after next year) will most likely be replaced in 2 years.

You dont get guys like samuels, thomas, jansen, portis, moss, cooley so easily. we had our group at or close to their "peak" and didnt cash in. maybe we keep cooley but the other peices are going to need to be replaced before zorn makes any run. UNLESS SAMUELS, KENDALL, RABACH, THOMAS JANSEN/HEYER have a resurrgence while JC clicks in the final year. next year is our absolute last chance under the current core skins players.

Thomas looked good tonight and contrary to what we've seen so far, I don't believe Kelly has stone hands and will get better with time.

I would agree with criticism of Zorn over some of the bizarre game management type decisions (using your last challenge to push them back 5 yards), but I also think he is doing the best he can with limited offensive personnel.

Looking back those early wins were great but neither the Saints, nor the Cards have great or even good defenses, and I think now we might have to acknowledge that some of the stuff that worked against the Eagles and in the first Cowgirls game worked in part because of the lack of tape on Zorny's offense. Kind of like a pitcher getting off to a hot start in baseball, and then getting lit up his 2nd or 3rd time around the league.

The more concerning problem is the simple lack of playmakers on offense. Everyone knows CP is the horse and they load up to stop him. People shade a safety over Moss all the time because there is no second receiver that scares them. In addition, now when Moss does get open down the field, JC does not have the time to get him the ball.

I think Zorn will continue to improve as a play-caller as he gains experience, and he does seem to have a good knack for in-game adjustments (something that seemed to be lacking in Gibbs 2.0), as witnessed by the use of screens tonight. But until we get and/or develop some secondary receiving threats, we're going to continue to see more of the same.

If you listen to the commentators they say the same thing: our offense has very limited weapons. Clinton Portis. When Zorn has more offensive contributors then we'll see how he does. He'll be looking for some this Spring.

I would agree with criticism of Zorn over some of the bizarre game management type decisions (using your last challenge to push them back 5 yards), but I also think he is doing the best he can with limited offensive personnel.

Looking back those early wins were great but neither the Saints, nor the Cards have great or even good defenses, and I think now we might have to acknowledge that some of the stuff that worked against the Eagles and in the first Cowgirls game worked in part because of the lack of tape on Zorny's offense. Kind of like a pitcher getting off to a hot start in baseball, and then getting lit up his 2nd or 3rd time around the league.

The more concerning problem is the simple lack of playmakers on offense. Everyone knows CP is the horse and they load up to stop him. People shade a safety over Moss all the time because there is no second receiver that scares them. In addition, now when Moss does get open down the field, JC does not have the time to get him the ball.

I think Zorn will continue to improve as a play-caller as he gains experience, and he does seem to have a good knack for in-game adjustments (something that seemed to be lacking in Gibbs 2.0), as witnessed by the use of screens tonight. But until we get and/or develop some secondary receiving threats, we're going to continue to see more of the same.
Very similar to the problems we've had in Gibbs 2.0. I guess a majority is players. Then don't we need to fault Vinny on this one? I know I may be asking for too much, but I guess he and Danny have decided to build for the future and I hope they continue that.

In short, Zorn is overwhelmed. It's painfully obvious in his general game-management as well as his play-calling. I also believe the offense's utter lack of concentration and intensity, w/ the exceptions of CP and JC, is a strong if subtle indicator of Zorn's disconnect w/ them and the overall situation. The d typically plays above its talent for Blache IMO. The offense plays sloppy, stupid football because Zorn hasn't inspired them. I believe it remains to be seen whether Zorn can lead a team. On the one hand you've got offensive gurus like Norv and Al Saunders who are/would make very lousy HC's, and on the other you've got geniuses like Reid who are also great HC's.

My biggest hope for the Redskins at this point is Zorn's development as a leader.

Problem is that our core strength or reason we've been competitive the past 6 years will be gone. samuels, kendall, rabach, thomas, jansen, moss, ARE, portis, fletcher, griffin, springs and maybe JC (with his K being up after next year) will most likely be replaced in 2 years.

You dont get guys like samuels, thomas, jansen, portis, moss, cooley so easily. we had our group at or close to their "peak" and didnt cash in. maybe we keep cooley but the other peices are going to need to be replaced before zorn makes any run. UNLESS SAMUELS, KENDALL, RABACH, THOMAS JANSEN/HEYER have a resurrgence while JC clicks in the final year. next year is our absolute last chance under the current core skins players.

I understand what you're saying but they'll be replaced here and there with picks or FA. Samuels isn't done he's just been injured. Heyer's not going anywhere and we'll probably resign Kendall. Rinehart should come along soon and we have some other young guys also. The rest will probably be phased out as we get other players.

We have sufficient weapons. Portis, Cooley and several serviceable wideouts should get it done. What we need is some new blood on the offensive line.

:laughing- Nice SIG Sheriff!

We have sufficient weapons. Portis, Cooley and several serviceable wideouts should get it done. What we need is some new blood on the offensive line.I still think we rely on Moss too much. That didn't hurt us in this game. But it's really hurt us in a bunch of other losses, and some winning efforts as well.

There are things you can do with Moss to create plays, and I want him on my team deep into the future, but 2005 was the last time we could build an offense around him.

Now, I think if the running game is working, a receiving core of Moss and Randle El is more than adequate. But as much as I like Portis and thought he was the MVP of the NFL in the first half, we've never been able to lean on him to produce for 16 games. We've just gone as he's gone on offense, which has put us on this sort of a roller coaster ride.

I'd really like to be a passing team, and I know we have the quarterback to do that, but the offensive line AND receivers are inadequate to do so. With the receivers, at least, the solutions may be in house. With the offensive line, I agree with you that even if Rinehart is a starter in the waiting, the rest of the solutions aren't in house.