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53Fan 11-30-2008, 06:21 PM Goddamnit 53 i love your optimism (all seriousness here)! R u a motivational speaker?
:laughing2 Not hardly. Look, we want to win every game. We're fans. I get as fed up as anybody with the stupid ass mistakes we make. I KNOW we can win these games! But I think we expect more than maybe we should at this point in time. It would be crazy to believe that after 12 games in a new offense, that the team would run it as if we've been doing it for 2-3 years. If we don't show improvement next year, then I'd be worried. Campbell's been told not to lock- in to one receiver, check-down, get rid of the ball quickly. Now he's being told, don't check-down so fast, give the primary receiver time for the play to develop. This offense takes time to learn. Kelly is just getting started. We're 7-5 through this and somehow still in the playoff hunt. I see good signs. After listening to some of the "fans" I realize, judgements made in haste, are judgements not made with much thought, and sound pretty dumb. Being on this board has actually helped me. I'm an emotional guy and usually raising hell about something. :)
GMScud 11-30-2008, 06:23 PM I think it is pretty glaring - we don't have the same level of top-tier physical talent in the trenches as the elite NFL teams.
That sums it up. Yes, we had drops today by the receivers in wet, sloppy weather. There is no excuse for that. But overall, our entire body of work (or lack thereof) this season has been defined by poor play in the trenches. Our run blocking is normally good, but aside from that we get manhandled on the line of scrimmage.
Once again we failed to generate consistent pressure, and JC was sacked several times. Teams that consistently pressure the QB and give thier own QB time to step into throws in the pocket usually succeed.
SouperMeister 11-30-2008, 06:24 PM I dont care if I get banned, so ban me then. Jason Campbell sucks, I said it a long time ago, stop with the excuses please, he is too damn slow, Ive said it and I will say it again. How much time do we give this guy? Im saying it...there needs to be an open competition at QB this offseason. Enough with the blind optimism. There is being a fan and being blinded by emotion. When Portis doesnt hand hold the team and carry the team on his back, Campbell does NOTHING to win a game. Zorns playcalling is basic and predictable. We have zero TRUE recievers. We have two great athletes in Moss and Randle El, but they are not true recievers as far as being route runners, hence they always never seem to be open. Before I get blasted for telling the truth and probably banned, why the hell does everyone on this sight seemingly dissapprove of anyone telling the truth as opposed to blind optimism? Everyone talks of stability, and we have stunk offensively for years. Hell with that, im calling for an overhaul. Marcus Washington, Shawn Springs, Jansen, Rabach, Randle El, need to go, and Campbell should be given the rest of the year then challenged by Brennan or bring in someone else. Don't even get me started on Jason Taylor. To hell with this boring ass and ineffective offense. I love the Washington Redskins but I absolutely am disgusted with this current collection of players. I will say, atleast the defense played with some heart. Oh yeah, and I also believe i said the Hall signing was good too. I used to love this site but my god, if you say anything against the team you are some how not knowledgeable or a true fan. Playoffs?! Are you kidding?!No, if you say something stupid, expect to be called out for a lack of knowledge. To say that Santana Moss isn't a true receiver as far as being able to run routes properly is absolutely ignorant. I said it before, and it bears repeating, put Campbell behind Eli's O-line, which is equally strong at run blocking and pass protecting, and Campbell would flourish. He did not get much help from his receivers today, but the playmakers are good enough if we can just give him time to work through his progressions.
GTripp0012 11-30-2008, 06:24 PM I keep saying that JC locks onto one receiver. If the main receiver on a route is Santana, he's gonna throw to him and damnit, he better be open or else we're going to take a sack.
I'm almost convinced that JC can't read the field and find the open man. I can't figure out if that's just JC as a QB or if he's so damn panicked in the pocket (afraid of his O-Line sucking) that he has no time to look for someone open.I'm not seeing this. I'm not sure what you are basing this on, but if the play design is a three step drop or if it's a max protection play, there aren't going to be multiple reads. If it's a five/seven step drop, Campbell usually looks three or four places before trying to force the ball in there. On a lot of these plays, Moss is running off the coverage, so he never looks at him.
I think it's clear that a lot of what we like to do in the passing game runs through Santana Moss, so I wouldn't confuse him getting the ball a lot with Campbell locking on to him.
A10sROCK 11-30-2008, 06:26 PM Our last O-lineman drafted earlier than the third round was Chris Samuels in 2000. The last D-lineman that we drafted earlier than the 5th round was Kenard Lang in 1997. This is an absolute joke. I don't want another play maker. We have plenty invested in playmakers. We need to get tougher on the interior to compete with the best.
I agree completely. That's exactly what I was saying. You can't draft 5th or 7th round picks every few years and expect to get winners in the trenches. An excellent DL improves any DBs. A great OL makes any QB or RB look great.
Look what the top teams draft every year. That's why everyone can't understand our crazy draft strategy for the last dozen years. That's also why we kept old players like Bruce Smith, Wynn, etc who were past their prime. Cerratto and Zorn need to change our draft strategy.
TheSmurfs22 11-30-2008, 06:27 PM Nobody mentioned that we played some really good teams, and today we played the now 11-1 defending Super Bowl champions who are arguably the best team in football, and certainly the best in the NFC.
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I got to agree to some extent it is our division and what teams we have played to this point. I also think our O-Line and D-Lines' struggles are hurting us.
Tonight it was obvious that not having a true second receiver is hurting us as well.
TheSmurfs22 11-30-2008, 06:27 PM Did anyone truly think at the beginning of the year we would even be 7-5? I think we got spoiled by the great start.
DynamiteRave 11-30-2008, 06:28 PM I'm not seeing this. I'm not sure what you are basing this on, but if the play design is a three step drop or if it's a max protection play, there aren't going to be multiple reads. If it's a five/seven step drop, Campbell usually looks three or four places before trying to force the ball in there. On a lot of these plays, Moss is running off the coverage, so he never looks at him.
I think it's clear that a lot of what we like to do in the passing game runs through Santana Moss, so I wouldn't confuse him getting the ball a lot with Campbell locking on to him.
I definitely could be wrong. I don't know all the inner workings of QBs and such. I'm just looking from the standpoint of a fan trying to figure out what's going wrong with my team.
I don't really have any beef with Campbell. I really wanna see the guy do well. But after losses like this the haters just come out the woodworks. So I try to appeal to both sides of the fence. :)
53Fan 11-30-2008, 06:31 PM Did anyone truly think at the beginning of the year we would even be 7-5? I think we got spoiled by the great start.
I think that has a lot to do with it and I think the FO should have a good idea of where we need help now.
Sheriff Gonna Getcha 11-30-2008, 06:34 PM Did anyone truly think at the beginning of the year we would even be 7-5? I think we got spoiled by the great start.
I think we did get spoiled. This team looked like a 12-4 team after the first few weeks. The defense was pretty dominant and the offense was exciting, productive and dynamic. Since week 5, our defense has been pretty good and consistent, but our offense has been dreadful. Our offense has averaged something like 16 points per game over the past 6 weeks. That's not just bad, that's Spurrier bad. I think there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic, but there are also an awful lot of reasons to be upset with the state and direction of our team.
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