What's Wrong with the Redskins?

I agree, but only because that will be his second season in the same offense. Otherwise, not so much because of all the change he has endured.

As Zorn said when asked about the number of offenses JC has had to learn [over the last 7 years], "get over it". You win games as a QB, score points - with your arm, or you're on another team. At the end of next year JC's contract is up. Either he's the one or he's not.

I hear lots of excuses for JC but hear nothing about his throwing into triple coverage today, underthrowing open WR's today, holding the ball too long instead of throwing it away, today, etc, etc. Winners find a way to win. Without Clinton Portis having an MVP year, this offense wouldn't be scoring even the low amounts it is now. Without this defense holding down the score we'd be a bad team. I hope JC makes it for the long haul but ppl make too many excuses for a QB in his fourth season.

whole new offense next year. zorn came in here and didnt want to change much because we made the playoffs last year and he figured that was the best bet. now he knows. we have alot of guys that are too old and too slow not saying they arent good or average but you dont win championships with just average

As Zorn said when asked about the number of offenses JC has had to learn [over the last 7 years]. "get over it". You win games as a QB, score points - with your arm, or you're on another team. At the end of next year JC's contract is up. Either he's the one or he's not.

I agree that either JC is "the one or he's not," but I otherwise disagree with your post. You absolutely have to consider what JC is working with. You can't evaluate a QB without looking at the scheme, the receivers, the backs, and the line. Players' careers are made or broken by their surroundings (e.g., compare Randy Moss in 2006 and 2007).

whole new offense next year. zorn came in here and didnt want to change much because we made the playoffs last year and he figured that was the best bet. now he knows. we have alot of guys that are too old and too slow not saying they arent good or average but you dont win championships with just average

I think Zorn is honest with himself and will give up the OC duties next year. I 'hope' the team will use draft picks and modest FA acquisitions to rebuild the OL. What we're all hoping is that with these changes Campbell hits his max potential and starts scoring some points, keeps turnovers down and wins some games. If not, the team will start someone else to see if they have the juice.

To the poster who said: "bring back Norv". The guy had .45 seasons with three different teams, including seven years with the Redskins. He's driving the Chargers into oblivion. Still in love with his being an OC for the Cowgirls back in the early 1990's?

Zorn will probably be 9-7 or 10-6 at the end of his ROOKIE season. This beats .45 win/loss of Norv (seven seasons), .500 for Schotty (1 season), .45 for the Gator Coach (2 seasons) and .45 for Gibbs II ( 4 seasons).

What's the beef with Zorn? I agree he will probably bring in a new OC for next year if the offense continues to under perform.


Dude it is sort of an inside joke about bringing in Norv as the OC next year. I was BSing with Goat in another thread about how we could get Norv back once the Chargers can his ass. The whole thing is a joke, but might not be so crazy given the anemic offense we have. I have nothing against Zorny at all, but I think the talent we have with our passing offense(QB and Wrs) was brought in to be more geared towards Gibbs style of passing attack. Zorn either has to clean some house in the offseason or tweak his system and get new linemen of course!!!!!

At the same point in his career last year as JC is this year, Eli Manning won a Super Bowl. Eli is only one year ahead of Campbell, but he is far superior. And as far as the argument that Campbell is in a new system, look at rookie Matt Ryan, who is way ahead of Campbell from a development standpoint in his first year in a new system and new league. Campbell is serviceable, but he does not look like a great QB in the making. He needs to show more leadership on the field.

Speaking of Norv and the Chargers. If I was the Chargers after giving Norv his walking papers, I hire Cam Cameron in a heartbeat. Look at the job he's done with Baltimore and say what you will about his experience in Miami, this guy can coach.

I agree that either JC is "the one or he's not," but I otherwise disagree with your post. You absolutely have to consider what JC is working with. You can't evaluate a QB without looking at the scheme, the receivers, the backs, and the line. Players' careers are made or broken by their surroundings (e.g., compare Randy Moss in 2006 and 2007).

I agree the OL is old and deteriorating. I agree our WR drop balls. I agree when Portis is having a good game, JC can do well. Jason has had good games and under top conditions will be a good QB.

HOWEVER, why can't he ever connect on the long balls? Why have three sets of OC (including a HOF coach, #1 OC and a top notch QB coach) had such limited scoring since Jason started? Why do we have a MPV RB, Clinton Portis, but we score so few points? There's much blame to go around, but the "everyone but Jason" arguments just don't seem right with me.

As I've said - he's earned the chance to start this entire season. Probably well into next year. But eventually we will have to see if [as happened when Collins won 5 games last year] someone else can do it better with the offensive talent we have; if the offense doesn't score more points.

I agree the OL is old and deteriorating. I agree our WR drop balls. I agree when Portis is having a good game, JC can do well. Jason has had good games and under top conditions will be a good QB.

HOWEVER, why can't he ever connect on the long balls? Why have three sets of OC (including a HOF coach, #1 OC and a top notch QB coach) had such limited scoring since Jason started? Why do we have a MPV RB, Clinton Portis, but we score so few points? There's much blame to go around, but the "everyone but Jason" arguments just don't seem right with me.

As I've said - he's earned the chance to start this entire season. Probably well into next year. But eventually we will have to see if [as happened when Collins won 5 games last year] someone else can do it better with the offensive talent we have; if the offense doesn't score more points.

I don't absolve Jason of all blame. Jason needs to make his reads and get rid of the ball quicker and improve his accuracy on the short to medium throws. But, on the whole, Jason is a good QB and I believe most of our problems on offense lie with the O-line.

At the same point in his career last year as JC is this year, Eli Manning won a Super Bowl. Eli is only one year ahead of Campbell, but he is far superior. And as far as the argument that Campbell is in a new system, look at rookie Matt Ryan, who is way ahead of Campbell from a development standpoint in his first year in a new system and new league. Campbell is serviceable, but he does not look like a great QB in the making. He needs to show more leadership on the field.

1. Eli has been in the same offense since his rookie year
2. Eli has better weapons.
3. Eli has a better o-line.

I agree with you about Ryan. He seems to be a little ahead of JC right now. I'm not sure about way ahead. But you could argue he's ahead of JC.