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53Fan 11-17-2008, 09:08 PM Right. They stepped up WHEN CALLED UPON. Davis is never called upon and Thomas rarely so. That's my point. Our pass protection really sucks. No doubt about it. The reason Moss or Cooley don't have 0 receptions is because they WERE called upon. Even with this dreadful line. It's my opinion that if we don't find a way, to get them involved, it is going to be very hard to be successful.
53Fan 11-17-2008, 09:10 PM Good post. Sort of curious what would happen if Zorn specifically called out Thomas or Davis to rise to the occasion at this point.
Good point Goat. I wish he would.
SBXVII 11-17-2008, 09:19 PM Here's the NFL analysis on Thomas. This sounds way to much like we wrote the analysis. lol. .....
Negatives: Has very good timed speed and is quick into his routes, but needs to do a better job of uncovering and tracking the ball on deep routes (struggles at times to snatch the ball over his outside shoulder)..
...Still learning how to set up defenders and needs to do a better job of sitting down in coverage...Has large hands and good arm reach to extend for the ball, but when he doesn't attack the ball or tries to body catch, most of his drops occur..
Effective cut blocker, but does not play up to his size and strength when blocking in-line (needs to sustain and finish better)..
Might struggle trying to digest a complicated playbook (just adequate with the mental aspect of the game). And needs to do a better job of reading coverages (will run into spots, at times).
With his impressive physique, he could be an inviting target over the middle, as he will not hesitate to mix it up with a defender. However, with his burst and running stride, he can also challenge the deep secondary. He will still need time to develop better pattern running skills, but he has enough in his package to contribute as a rookie.
SBXVII 11-17-2008, 09:29 PM How about Kelly's analysis.....
Negatives: Lacks the short steps and quick feet, but does get good depth in his route progression with his long stride...Perhaps a product of the team's reliance on its ground game, he will disappear for long stretches
...A good blocker, he is basically a non-factor without the ball in his hands...Will usually run crisp routes but he will glide out of his breaks,
...Keeps his head on a swivel to locate the ball, but is more effective as a receiver in the open field, as he does not show the same burst as smaller receivers when catching in the short area
...Not really an explosive player, but does use his body lean and initial contact strike to create separation.
Those were just the negatives of both. They had a lot of positives. We are just not seeing them for whatever reason.
SBXVII 11-17-2008, 09:35 PM Funny Royal sounds so much like Thomas....
...Despite his upper-body strength, he struggles to avoid getting a clean release vs. press coverage, which causes him to get redirected in his routes too often for a player with his power
...An inconsistent route-runner who will drift on deep routes and takes soft-angle cuts when going long distances...Is more effective on controlled and short-area routes, but needs to be more consistent when attempting to plant and drive to gain separation
...Tough player, but will have some concentration lapses, along with a penchant for trapping the ball, leading to a share of dropped balls.
but will get frustrated when he can't escape the jam to get into his route (lets that affect him for several plays, getting take out of his game).
SBXVII 11-17-2008, 09:46 PM how about Jackson....negatives only...
...Has very good speed, but is still a bit raw running routes and must improve his transition a bit..
The rest of his faults are in regards to his size and bulk and how he gets pushed at the line of scrimmage and how he may shy away from the ball when he hears foot steps.
skinsfan_nn 11-17-2008, 10:05 PM You certainly hate to hear of trust issues. It sounds like hes a very slow learner.
I was shocked that we even IMO wasted a draft pick on a TE. With already having an elite TE in Cooley and a solid #2 in Yoder. I guess we will have to take a wait and see approach, not much choice at the moment.
At the moment all three second round picks in this years class are suspect, I would have been happy with one of the three stepping up and making some contributions to the team this season.
GTripp0012 11-17-2008, 10:13 PM You certainly hate to hear of trust issues. It sounds like hes a very slow learner.
I was shocked that we even IMO wasted a draft pick on a TE. With already having an elite TE in Cooley and a solid #2 in Yoder. I guess we will have to take a wait and see approach, not much choice at the moment.
At the moment all three second round picks in this years class are suspect, I would have been happy with one of the three stepping up and making some contributions to the team this season.Well, Yoder shouldn't be on an NFL team, so there's that. I suppose we could do worse than Yoder at No. 2, but it's easy to do better.
Davis is never going to pass Cooley on the depth chart, but it would be nice if we could go base 2 TEs in the post Sellers era. Portis would totally rock in that formation, given that the defense would have one more gap to defend and Portis reads zone blocking as well as any player in the history of the NFL.
Right now though, the only solution is just to have Sellers play more.
Dirtbag59 11-17-2008, 10:17 PM *Gasp* Zorn doesn't trust rookies, and lately Zorn has been less open when it comes to the offense so that means......THAT Zorn doesn't trust himself. I see. The ways of the Freudian slip are strong.
SBXVII 11-17-2008, 10:31 PM ^ you know Dirtbag....for some weird unknown reason....I understood that. scarey.
Funny but scarey.
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