Why Did We Draft Fred Davis?

Hey Fred Davis brother can you ask Fred to study more so we can actually see the guy kick ass on the field. The coach basically said Fred does not have the mental aspect down so the next time you see him playing xbox maybe you could suggest he picks up the playbook.

......I'll agree we had protection problems the last two games. I'll also admit we ran up against the probably the two toughest defenses the last two games. but now your going to say we should have drafted an O-linemen ("which he probably would have had problems with the mental game. " Zorn's famous last words.) when you have to admit our offense played lights out for 8 games not allowing a sack and giving the best protection in the league? Hmm. I say our offense needs to get back on track and bring in a deep threat to push more defensive players out of the box. JC has to learn to throw a deep pass once and a while even if it's nothing but a ploy to show we might do it. Instead of throwing 5-10 yarders waiting for a 20 yarder plus to never develope.

In the first 8 games in which you say our offense "played light outs and we had the best protection in the league", we played against 4 of the worst defenses in the NFL.

1) Detroit Lions (0-8) 31st ranked defense
2) Cleveland Browns 26th ranked deense
3) St. Louis Rams 30th ranked defense
4) New Orleans Saints 24th ranked defense


Not exactly great defenses. These defenses do not scare anyone. If you are going to want the OL to play at your "lights out" level, we will need to play crappy teams like we played back then.
The problem is down the stretch we play:
1) Giants
2) Eagles
3) Ravens

You are only good as the teams you play against. Our OL usually plays well against the weak/crappy defenses and usually plays poorly against the best defenses. That means our OL is OK, but not good. We do not have a very good OL. The good defenses are making OL look like shit.
The NY Giants offensive line plays well against good and bad teams. That is why they are currently better than us. Manning has time to look down field and Brandon Jacobs, Derek Ward and Ahmad Bradshaw are running well against every team. Kind of reminds me of our old Hog Days in the 80's and 90's.
Campbell does not have the time to throw deep. It is not the play calling. Zorn does not feel confidant enough in our OL to give Campbell the time to throw down field, so they are forced to keep it short.

Again, I don't have a problem with the idea of drafting Fred Davis per se, I just think it was a really high price to pay for what this year is a #3 tight end. Now, Yoder is probably gone after this season, and Davis will move into the backup role behind Cooley. I also like the idea of 2 TE sets which hopefully adds a dimension to our offense that opponents will have a lot of trouble with. It's also an advantage to have someone of similar talents as Cooley in case he misses time to injury.

So maybe the more appropriate question is why we drafted Malcolm Kelly. At this site we've all been saying that restocking at the offensive line has to be a priority. Guess what? WE WERE RIGHT. The front office was WRONG. They didn't see it as a priority and now this offense is paying for it royally. And, we pissed away a 2nd round pick for that washed up has-been, Jason Taylor. That puts us even further behind in our ability to upgrade the line for the future.

So the problem isn't really with Fred Davis. The blame, as usual, lies with Vinney Cerrato who looks as though he's F'ed up this draft too. I tried to play along this time, to give him the benefit of the doubt. But his neglect of both offensive and defensive lines will be the downfall of this team.

And most of us here saw it coming.Beemer, my sentiments exactly. Great teams are built from the inside out. The Skins will not threaten the upper echelon until they get stronger in the trenches.

ill tell u this , on the playbook thing he said he got called out but everyday someone runs the wrong route he made one bad route all week outta how many probably, another thing usc playbook is similar and complicated also ...he feels thats not the issue if it was why is every defensive player saying we cant stop him in practice .. theres more too it

ill tell u this , on the playbook thing he said he got called out but everyday someone runs the wrong route he made one bad route all week outta how many probably, another thing usc playbook is similar and complicated also ...he feels thats not the issue if it was why is every defensive player saying we cant stop him in practice .. theres more too it

Tell him to keep his head up, and that Skins fans are waiting for him to be let loose. Hopefully, this game against Seattle will be his coming out party.

Yeah maybe it's politics. Zorn seems to have very little patience for rookies. On the other hand he has plenty of patience for our crappy oline play.

I think we need to give the rookies a chance. He and Kelly & Thomas haven't done much so far. However, if by next season they aren't producing - then we can start giving them the bust label.

Certainly Vinny and Zorn have got to think about picking some OL and DL players early in the next draft. Without good line play you can't reach the next level in the NFL.

One thing is certain: rookies who come to the Redskins will know that they better be in shape and mentally ready for this team. Zorn is going to give them no free passes and newbies will know that coming here.

What ever happened to Fred Davis?
By Jason Reid

Through nine games, second-year tight end Fred Davis has only nine receptions for 133 yards, with no touchdowns.

During the offseason, Redskins coaches said the team planned to use more two-tight end sets, so Davis and tight end Chris Cooley were both expected to have big seasons. Cooley quickly emerged as one of quarterback Donovan McNabb's favorite targets and is among the league leaders at his position, with 39 receptions for 440 yards and two touchdowns.

What's happened to Davis?

"I guess that's a good question," Davis said. "I mean, that's hard, I don't really know the answer to that question, because I don't really question anything that they [the coaches] do. I just roll with it and try to stay positive. It's a business. I don't understand what it is. ... I guess they want to see other looks or do other things.

click for rest of article (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/fred-davis/what-ever-happened-to-fred-dav.html)

By Jason Reid | November 10, 2010; 1:45 PM ET



Again, a wasted 2nd round pick. Just like we all said 2 years ago -- we did NOT need another pass-catching TE when we had a ProBowl Chris Cooley. If anything, we needed a blocking TE, but not one in the 2nd round.

Hindsight is always 20/20 - but how awesome would it have been to draft ONE WR that year, and then two offensive linemen (-- not named Rhinehart)...

Like I've said hundreds of times, 2 TE's cant work in the NFL.

Dallas: Bennett has a huge upside but cant get on the field..
INDY: Now that Clark is out, Tamme has played great including 11 Catches Sunday
Same goes for us, CC is the man and FD just can't get on the field..

If Cooley wasn't on the team, Davis would be shining right now.

Like I've said hundreds of times, 2 TE's cant work in the NFL.

Dallas: Bennett has a huge upside but cant get on the field..
INDY: Now that Clark is out, Tamme has played great including 11 Catches Sunday
Same goes for us, CC is the man and FD just can't get on the field..

If Cooley wasn't on the team, Davis would be shining right now.I almost forgot creating this thread two years ago, but it's still very relevant. A backup TE was not a luxury we could afford with more pressing needs, especially O-line depth, or lack thereof, that still plagues us to this day. I'm not saying that Davis can't be a productive player, we saw what he can do when Cooley was injured, but as long as CC is healthy and producing, Fred Davis is about as useful to this roster as a backup punter.