Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

We are voters not legislators able to cut deals. I tend to base my vote on things I believe or don't believe in not

I tend to vote on which I think would be better for the greater population. Though personally I have a lot of conservative views I don't think that my singular opinion should be reflected in the governance of such a diverse nation.

LOL on the lecture. You also mention ban on partial birth abortion, not third trimester. You then throw in the caveat of "mental health" which makes a ban basically not worth the paper it's written on. So much for the courage of going against the hard core left's social agenda.

I knew where you were going with this, just wondering how long it would take to get there....and we're at the same spot as always.

I am more than happy to be the professor. Have you resolved your conflict or you still in limbo? Just know that it isn't necessary for you to display compliance in an online forum.

What would the text of your prop say? Ban third trimester in all cases except when health is an issue but not mental health? I never claimed to go against "hard core leftist social agenda." Where is that coming from? Are you simply throwing an anchor and hoping it catches something?

I tend to vote on which I think would be better for the greater population. Though personally I have a lot of conservative views I don't think that my singular opinion should be reflected in the governance of such a diverse nation.
Give me an instance where you voted against your beliefs.

I personally don't really care if gays get married or not but if I had to vote on the issue I would have to really take a close look at the pros & cons. We also have to remember the government does not ban gays from getting married they just don't recognize their marriage through the state. I have a gay cousin and a few friends that are gay. One actually says he has found god and is no longer gay so I guess in his case it was a choice. I have always felt that 50% of gays are born that way and the other 50% choose the life style for one reason or the other.

I personally don't really care if gays get married or not but if I had to vote on the issue I would have to really take a close look at the pros & cons. We also have to remember the government does not ban gays from getting married they just don't recognize their marriage through the state. I have a gay cousin and a few friends that are gay. One actually says he has found god and is no longer gay so I guess in his case it was a choice. I have always felt that 50% of gays are born that way and the other 50% choose the life style for one reason or the other.

50%? So you think half of the gay population choses that lifestyle cause its cool? Yeah Im sure they enjoy prevalent discrimination, being the victim of hate crimes, higher sucide and substance abuse rates...I dont think too many people who want to chose that...i think your ratio is off, more like 95% to 5% and half of the 5% probably in jail.

It's not about sheltering kids from "ever" receiving the education or actually being delusional enough to think they're not going to find out about it. It IS about believing that individual families have the right to decide how/when the child is introduced to such realities. I don't personally believe that a kid learns about homosexuality = a kid decides to be gay. So, Matty's comment in response to your post is a typical misread of the situation and pretty common overreaction. I do find it entertaining (and disappointing) that those most up in arms about the rights of those they agree with are the first to resort to name calling and sarcasm instead of rational discussion, on both sides. I support everyone else's right to freedom up until the second that it infringes upon my own. I don't believe that to be unreasonable, it's just the truth.

I agree that individual families have the right to decide for themselves. I would (almost) never want to decide for others, which is why I support gay marriage. I just don't understand those families that would shelter their kids from learning about reality.

To me, it's all about teaching critical thinking above all else. If your child is learning math, then they're capable of learning critical thinking.

But, it seems most parents today are less concerned about giving their children the tools to think critically -- so they can arrive at their own decisions (which will inevitably happen anyways) -- and are more concerned with influencing their decisions and opinions. It's a model for failure IMO.

Give me an instance where you voted against your beliefs.

Those are his beliefs. He's a Contractarian.

50%? So you think half of the gay population choses that lifestyle cause its cool? Yeah Im sure they enjoy prevalent discrimination, being the victim of hate crimes, higher sucide and substance abuse rates...I dont think too many people who want to chose that...i think your ratio is off, more like 95% to 5% and half of the 5% probably in jail.

Yea its not like people don't chose to do other stupid stuff every day and why would I ever think that someone could do some like that. LOL By the way do you smoke?

So we're comparing choosing to smoke with choosing to be gay?

:doh:

I think you're either gay or you're not. Seems like an awfully odd "choice" to make.

I'm sure we can all remember the day we made a choice to be heterosexuals...for me it was the first time I saw boobs in a movie. They seemed mysterious and magical and I had this urge to want to touch them and squeeze them and play with them and discover the physics of them.