Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

Of course homosexuality exists in the Amish, homosexuality is universal. You don't see them because they are booted out or they're not open about it for fear of getting booted. I'm guessing there are plenty of in the closet Amish.

That sounds good to me. I agree with them then. People and their communities should have the right to decide what is right and wrong within their own community. That's been a point I've been trying to make. Matty, you've tried to make many arguements for the acceptance of homosexuality. You have to realize people like me will tolerate them but not accept them. To us, what they do is immoral and self-destructive to a community. We don't need that around us. Nor do I appreciate homosexuals eye-balling me. I used to live in the East Bay. Straight men do not appreciate the advances of homosexuals.

Many of the arguments that have been made are new ones. My cousin Ron is a homo baby bomber and to them it was just about sex. He doesn't agree with homosexual marriage because it will cause resentment. It has! Marriage to that generation was the last thing they wanted. The newer ones don't understand that we will never accept them or at least that aspect of their lifestyle.

I don't understand why people don't understand that everyone has their own preferences and I'm allowed to have mine as well. I like some people more than others and I try my best to tolerate everyone. If I had to choose between a room full of homos and a room full of Philly fans, I'd choose the homos. I don't really care for either but Philly fans, now they're just scum.

Just by calling them perverts doesn't make you any less hateful, nor does it make your hate any more justified. It's a weak tactic you use to try to strengthen your argument, because who would argue that you should have, "a bunch of perverts around you, your friends, and your children."

You don't understand. There is no argument.

I think I got hit on by a gay guy 2 days ago. I was getting gas when a guy kept staring at me and my car. Then he walked by while staring until I looked and he said what kind of honada is that. He kept asking questions about my car and stuff and noted he liked my year’s body style more than the newer ones. I drive a Honda Accord and I recently traded (pretty redneck right?) a jeep for a sweet el camino (even more redneck right?). Now I would expect attention from random dudes at gas stations and stuff if I was driving around in my sweet el camino but I was in my accord.

Anyway I know 2 gay guys, neither of which I would consider friends, but they are nice guys. My problem with gay people is when they make out or even basic things like holding hands in public. Im not too keen when a straight couple is making out in front of me on a sidewalk either, but its different. Any type of PDA from gay people in public grosses me out and gives me the hebegebes. That said I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn’t be allowed to get married. It’s a civil liberties issue for me more than anything and I see it as bad as not allowing 2 people from different races wed. On a personal level it makes me upset as well because our society is forcing a set of beliefs on a group of people.

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I say equal rights for everyone. Gay marriage and to serve openly in the military like the vast majority of the rest of the world. Its all about tolerance. Doesnt bother me, plus nothing is hotter than two smoking lesbians

That sounds good to me. I agree with them then. People and their communities should have the right to decide what is right and wrong within their own community. That's been a point I've been trying to make. Matty, you've tried to make many arguements for the acceptance of homosexuality. You have to realize people like me will tolerate them but not accept them. To us, what they do is immoral and self-destructive to a community. We don't need that around us. Nor do I appreciate homosexuals eye-balling me. I used to live in the East Bay. Straight men do not appreciate the advances of homosexuals.

Many of the arguments that have been made are new ones. My cousin Ron is a homo baby bomber and to them it was just about sex. He doesn't agree with homosexual marriage because it will cause resentment. It has! Marriage to that generation was the last thing they wanted. The newer ones don't understand that we will never accept them or at least that aspect of their lifestyle.

I don't understand why people don't understand that everyone has their own preferences and I'm allowed to have mine as well. I like some people more than others and I try my best to tolerate everyone. If I had to choose between a room full of homos and a room full of Philly fans, I'd choose the homos. I don't really care for either but Philly fans, now they're just scum.

A guy who's comfortable in his own skin shouldn't have an issue being eye-balled by anyone.

Acceptance would be nice but tolerance is ultimately all that society can hope for.

The juvenile & derogatory comments really don't help your claim of tolerance though.

A guy who's comfortable in his own skin shouldn't have an issue being eye-balled by anyone.

Acceptance would be nice but tolerance is ultimately all that society can hope for.

The juvenile & derogatory comments really don't help your claim of tolerance though.


I decide what I am comfortable with.

What are you talking about? Who's being derogatory?

WOW...you make some impressive leaps in logic. Really, that seems like some sort of talent.

Okay, first off, I'd love to see some type of statistics which validate everything you just said. Particularly when I've heard some evidence to the contrary, particularly regarding lesbians.

I don't care what lifestyle people choose to live, that's where we differ, my friend. Like I said before, I believe in equal rights, not only rights for the people I support.

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It takes approximately $300,000 to take care of each AIDS victim, so thanks to the promiscuous lifestyle of homosexuals, medical insurance rates have been skyrocketing for all of us(10).


Close-up of one of the New York "Gay Parades"

Homosexuals were responsible for spreading AIDS in the United States, and then raised up violent groups like Act Up and Ground Zero to complain about it. Even today, homosexuals account for well over 50% of the AIDS cases in the United States, which is quite a large number considering that they account for only 1-2% of the population.
Homosexuals account for a disproportionate number of hepatitis cases: 70-80% in San Francisco, 29% in Denver, 66% in New York City, 56% in Toronto, 42% in Montreal, and 26% in Melbourne (8).
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37% of homosexuals engage in sadomasochism, which accounts for many accidental deaths. In San Francisco, classes were held to teach homosexuals how to not kill their partners during sadomasochism (8).
41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8).
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The median age of death of homosexuals is 42 (only 9% live past age 65). This drops to 39 if the cause of death is AIDS. The median age of death of a married heterosexual man is 75 (8).
The median age of death of lesbians is 45 (only 24% live past age 65). The median age of death of a married heterosexual woman is 79 (8).
Homosexuals are 100 times more likely to be murdered (usually by another homosexual) than the average person, 25 times more likely to commit suicide, and 19 times more likely to die in a traffic accident (8).
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There is a notable homosexual group, consisting of thousands of members, known as the North American Man and Boy Love Association ( NAMBLA). This is a child molesting homosexual group whose cry is "SEX BEFORE 8 BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE." This group can be seen marching in most major homosexual parades across the United States.
Homosexuals commit more than 33% of all reported child molestations in the United States, which, assuming homosexuals make up 2% of the population, means that 1 in 20 homosexuals is a child molestor, while 1 in 490 heterosexuals is a child molestor (19).
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Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film "The Castro", one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to "cruisy areas" and have anonymous sex.
78% of homosexuals are affected by STDs (20).

Oh, and yeah, lets let all of these people with communicable diseases into the Army, where I as a medic am going to be at a RIDICULOUSLY increased risk of contracting HIV/AIDS/HERPES/HEPSATITIS/all other STD's when dealing with these gays on the battlefield where open blood is commonplace.

Sorry, stay at home and go to your parades. Id rather die from the enemy than die from some gay ally who gave me aids while I was bandaging him up. Just the risk from exposure should ban them from military service. And knowing their sexuality increases the likeliehood of them contracting an STD and passing along the military ranks, come on, gimme a break.

And a couple more..........
To date, the Bagley & Tremblay (1997) study remains as the only study to have used a household-based random sampling technique - stratified random sampling - producing both a sample of homosexually oriented males and of their heterosexual counterparts for comparison purposes. This study replicated the Bell & Weinberg (1978) results and is also the best and most recent indicator available of the "self-harm" at risk status of homosexually oriented males. Compared to heterosexual males, homosexually oriented males (12.7% of sample) accounted for 26% of males in the "self-harm" category (including suicide attempts) and 62.5% of suicide attempters. They were 3-times more at risk for reporting "self-harm" and almost 14-times more at risk for reporting having attempted suicide.
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In 2008, CDC estimated that approximately 56,300 people were newly infected with HIV in 20061 (the most recent year that data are available). Over half (53%) of these new infections occurred in gay and bisexual men. Black/African American men and women were also strongly affected and were estimated to have an incidence rate than was 7 times as high as the incidence rate among whites.



Just a coincidence though, right?

Wait, probably some problem with my sources. I am sure that the United States CDC is conservatively biased. You know what, thats true, its prolly just a bunch of hogwash. I think we should all embrace homosexuality, and all of the drugs, diseases, suicide and legal constipation it brings...............lol