Steve Young's family up against Mormon church on Prop. 8

Religious zealots hard at work on real important issues. Good to see millions of dollars being spent on crap like this.

Did you ever catch Religulous? There's a great portion of that movie spent on the Mormon church.

what are the reasons that the government doesn't want the legalize gay marriage? I Understand it's not allowed according to the bible, but there's supposed to be a separation of church and state. Would this have any negative effects on society?

The real crazies among the religous believe that allowing gay marriage will not only create more gays (which isn't bad to us but to the crazies it's a whole nother story) but it will bring America closer to being a Godless nation and in turn will help bring the wrath of God upon America. I don't know what the wrath is but from what I understand this could be anything from another 9/11 to the rapture itself.

Plus most people are freaked out by gays, myself included, well only the lispy feminine types that just seem to be trying way to hard, but I will admit it is still kind of surprising when I see gay people in real life mainly because I rarely see it. Still taking away rights from people because you think the Bible gives you the right to is just plain unfair and probably part of the reason you have lower church attendence and others willing to pay higher taxes instead of electing a party thats more likely to try and construct policies that take away or prevent civil rights.

I guess I relate to the gays in a sense that I know what it's like to keep a secret and be in the closet as I'm an atheist/agnostic myself that still hasn't "come out" to my parents and I know when I get a job I'm probably going to keep it a secret especially since I'll probably still be living in the Bible Belt. I've even tried to tell my parents but it ended with me being a believer in Jesus who doesn't like the Bible.

I mean I've told my friends and I've told you guys (some of which I am inclined to consider friends) but even then you get the crazier of your friends trying to debate you, which is actually kind of fun, but sometimes they shut down and act weird which gets on my nerves. It actually got to a point where a good friend of mine took me to a play called "Final Destination" in which a wife beater/accidental murder went to heaven for accepting Jesus while normal people were sent to hell for not truly accepting Jesus. He also freaked out when I had him over to dinner at my families house and saw me saying grace with my family.

I'm not even against religion, what I am against is the fractions that brainwash their followers and force them to focus on dogma and worship instead of the actual teachings that apply to teaching people how to be kind and humble. I mean it's like your a good person based on the fact that you believe in Jesus instead of earning it by being a good person that respects and helps other people. I guess it's one of my favorite jokes as when my friends make fun of me for my godless beliefs I agree and joke about how I can't go a minute without thinking about killing someone or steeling a car as the only reason people don't do these things is because they think God won't approve of it and punish them and when you don't believe in God you're automatically inclined to commit horrible sins.

Anyway sorry for the rant. To answer the original question people are scared of not only what they don't understand but also of those that break rules assigned by authority figures (which in this case would be corrupt preachers and the like).

gay people should be able to be as miserable as the rest of us. (don't remember where I heard that but its true)

Actually theres the joke where gay people are against gay marriage because with straight couples that get serious it ends up with one of the two pondering marriage. If you're gay you just have to say "Oh sorry honey I'd love to but it's illegal." If you're straight its like "we have to break up."

That'll put us in God's good grace and put an end to all that is wrong with this world. This whole time to fight hunger, poverty, war, greed, crime, and global warming, all we had to do was stop the gay-mo-sexuals from living a life that is true to themselves.

Funny how the Bible tells people that they shouldn't drink, have premarital sex, mock, judge, comit adultry, lie, cheat, steal, be proud, eat too much etc... And the only one that we as a people try to enforce on anyone is the whole " a marriage is defined as a union between man and woman" thing.

Sounds kind of f'ckd up if you ask me. Before you go and try to be all high and mighty on what someone else can do, take a hard effin look at yourself. Besides, what somebody does in their own privacy is their business. Hell, even if they want to get married in public, more power to them. It is not my preference or my choice, but I am not trying to live someone else's life either.

Bottom line, if they are not not doing anything to infringe upon your life or liberty, then leave it alone. Go fight your holy war somewhere else, and pick a battle on a sin that truly matters, not the one that is easiest to fight because you are not gay.

BTW I am straight, and I used to be a Christian, but that was before I stopped hating people.

angry, tell us how you really feel:) good post

wow, can you believe this?

Gay Marriage Fight Costs $74 Million in California - FOXNews.com Elections (http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/04/gay-marriage-fight-costs-million-california/)

what are the reasons that the government doesn't want the legalize gay marriage? I Understand it's not allowed according to the bible, but there's supposed to be a separation of church and state. Would this have any negative effects on society?
Well gays can get married anytime they want in a church. What they want is for it to be recongnized by the state. They then qualify for married benfitts and such but other than that I'm not sure of all the issues.

just a way for society to get a grip on money is all that it is!
this is the land of the free,not the almost free.

I cannot believe this. California is now officially the most useless state in the union. Or at least the most underperforming state. I mean I definately disagreed with their financial policies and desire to give people handouts but California always came through when it came to civil rights. Plus if it wasn't for the ridiculous price of living I would really want to go there, but in the meantime I'll probably settle for Vegas or North Carolina. No state income tax in Nevada :D

Now all it is is a big chunk of land with overpriced property values and shitty movies.

I cannot believe this. California is now officially the most useless state in the union. Or at least the most underperforming state. I mean I definately disagreed with their financial policies and desire to give people handouts but California always came through when it came to civil rights. Plus if it wasn't for the ridiculous price of living I would really want to go there, but in the meantime I'll probably settle for Vegas or North Carolina. No state income tax in Nevada :D

Now all it is is a big chunk of land with overpriced property values and shitty movies.


What a sad day...people exercising their rights to deny others rights afforded to them. Financial, California will suck the life out of you...Washington state doesn't have a state income tax either :)

I know prop 8 passed. Bunch of B.S. What sucks even more is that it just barely passed. California still has a long way to go. :(

But does anyone know if Prop 4 passed? Prop 4 would've required teenage girls to tell their parents prior to having an abortion...