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saden1 10-31-2008, 11:59 AM Obama's recent comment (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/17/274143.aspx) regarding the kind of judges he wants also softened me up (http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/17738-whats-your-pet-peeve-16.html#post392025) a bit on him:
"We need somebody who's got the heart, the empathy, to recognize what it's like to be a young teenage mom. The empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African-American, or gay, or disabled, or old. And that's the criteria by which I'm going to be selecting my judges."
-Obama
firstdown 10-31-2008, 12:48 PM What's your point? That he is committing a crime? That he is cheating the system? He's playing by the standards and as I have said I don't like the standards.
Let's not even talk about McCain who has his own set of donation problems revealed inadvertently (http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/lots_of_anonymous_mccain_donor.php) by the morons that work for him who botched a simple publicity stunt meant shame/force Obama into releasing his donor list.
I would hope that he is not knownly breaking the law but I do feel that he is turning a blind eye and would perfer not to know. Why else would you remove from your own site security checks that the typical business or organization would use to verify the person using the credit card? Why would you not use the standard AVS system to track donations? Why would he be receiving all these donations on these gift credit cards which is hard to trace who purchased or used them? These are valid questions which will either never be answered or answered after the election. For a man who claims he wants all these reforms he seems to be running a pretty loose ship when it comes to donations.
SmootSmack 10-31-2008, 01:07 PM I decided long ago that I would be voting for Obama. I can't stand McCain on the grounds of his policies and incompetence. I simply hate incompetent people and right now McCain is standing on top of the Shiny Hill of Stupidania all alone with Palin and the rest of the crew half way to the top.
I thought you were off his bandwagon?
http://www.thewarpath.net/481751-post40.html
But I guess he's not the "wanker trying to get his" anymore?
http://www.thewarpath.net/455906-post1.html
And it's interesting how you can stand McCain's policies now
http://www.thewarpath.net/453637-post15.html
http://www.thewarpath.net/438209-post2.html
I understand these are just two issues, but I think it illustrates that when it comes down to it, even the brightest minds care less about where they stand on issues than their general impression of the candidates.
mheisig 10-31-2008, 01:13 PM SmootSmack, if you don't mind my asking, who will you be voting for?
I'm only curious because your responses on the political threads seem to be the most balanced, thoughtful viewpoints of any. For the life of me I still can't figure out where you're coming from, though I may have just missed an obvious post along the way.
firstdown 10-31-2008, 01:17 PM Obama's recent comment (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/17/274143.aspx) regarding the kind of judges he wants also softened me up (http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/17738-whats-your-pet-peeve-16.html#post392025) a bit on him:
I thought a judges job was to interpet the law and not make law.
mheisig 10-31-2008, 01:21 PM Obama's recent comment (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/07/17/274143.aspx) regarding the kind of judges he wants also softened me up (http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/17738-whats-your-pet-peeve-16.html#post392025) a bit on him:
Funny you'd pick that quote because that's precisely one of the reasons I won't vote for Obama.
I think the composition of the Supreme Court and the appointments a president gets to make is one of the most crucial factors come election time.
Someone who is going to base judge appointments on emotion and empathy scares the living daylights on me. I want experience, reason, rationale and the guts to make tough decisions, not someone who is going to vote based on some empathetic emotional whim.
There's a lot of factors that would go into making a good judge, empathy being one of many. For Obama to seemingly highlight that as the only one that's important scares me.
SmootSmack 10-31-2008, 01:42 PM SmootSmack, if you don't mind my asking, who will you be voting for?
I'm only curious because your responses on the political threads seem to be the most balanced, thoughtful viewpoints of any. For the life of me I still can't figure out where you're coming from, though I may have just missed an obvious post along the way.
You kidding? I'm a Republican. Best believe I'm voting for...Obama
http://www.thewarpath.net/492503-post27.html
http://www.thewarpath.net/474168-post539.html
I don't know that I explicitly say Obama there but I explain my concerns with voting for McCain. I also think that even if McCain were to win now, he would likely be a one-term President.
My feeling is that 8 years ago, the Democrat party said "Just wait, in 4 years we'll get back what's rightfully ours after being robbed in the 2000 election" And then in 2004, they just embarassed themselves ("led" by John Kerry) when the opportunity to return to the White House was there for the taking. The Democratic party needs a win to restore some pride and positive reputation to the party.
Meanwhile, the Republican party I believe would actually be best served by a loss that will serve as a wake-up call that people are pissed and things need to change.
I will vote for Obama, and hope he does well. But I also hope it makes the Republican party stronger down the road.
That Guy 10-31-2008, 02:03 PM saden, your defending him like a defense trial laywer.. i guess it depends on what your definition of "is" is.
I mean really, he agreed in spirit that he would, and then, once it came down to it, he jumped ship. And i mean, despite his speeches, his actual track record is to vote straight democratic 97% of the time. He's just about as far left as you can get.
I'm not a huge fan of mccain's pandering or his choice of palin (and i'm not voting for either btw), but his track record is 85% republican party line voting, which is at least a bit more moderate, and there is a chance he could go back to the guy from 2000 once in office.
not that it matters, since your bias has been insanely one sided since this whole thing began, but neither one of them is crapping roses, and there's a good chance once obama gets elected that a lot of people may end up disappointed after his term is done.
dmek25 10-31-2008, 02:08 PM isn't a supreme court justice's job to interpret and enforce the constitution? im not sure what experience, and guts have to do with it?
saden1 10-31-2008, 02:11 PM I thought you were off his bandwagon?
http://www.thewarpath.net/481751-post40.html
I am off the Obama bandwagon but I despise McCain (http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/25122-if-the-election-was-held-today.html#post474778)...what is your point? I no longer volunteer for Obama nor do I donate any money to him any more. Perhaps I shouldn't defend him against falsehoods and invalid accusations?
But I guess he's not the "wanker trying to get his" anymore?
http://www.thewarpath.net/455906-post1.html
I still think he's still a wanker trying to get his but he does have the right ideas when it comes a lot of other issues I care about (http://www.thewarpath.net/parking-lot/25661-vice-presidential-debate-thread-6.html#post485042). Again, what is the problem?
And it's interesting how you can stand McCain's policies now
http://www.thewarpath.net/453637-post15.html
http://www.thewarpath.net/438209-post2.html
I understand these are just two issues, but I think it illustrates that when it comes down to it, even the brightest minds care less about where they stand on issues than their general impression of the candidates.
LOL...what part of what I wrote offends sensibility? If McCain stands up today and says I plan to appoint Liberal justices who support liberal ideals to the Supreme Court I'll like the plan too.
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