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SmootSmack 10-23-2008, 10:01 PM Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president. It would be like comparing them to the people you see out rioting in the streets on the left and saying when they vote democratic they have so much power in the dem party. Maybe you need to stop getting your news from google search and open your eyes just a bit. Heck I could start a news net work on the net and I can't even get a Youtube screens to play here. Its fine for a third or forth source but sitting here posting youtube clips day after day is a pit crazy. I'm sure all those clips you play have not ever been edited to met the persons agenda or they leave off the real meaning of what a person is saying. The liberal media is out in full force these past weeks and will be up until election so we do not need every liberal slanted article posted here. If thats going to be the case then maybe we sould start posting every Rush or Hannity article to make things fair and balanced. You say your so open minded but I have not seen one bit of that form you sense we have been talking politics. Heck you even defended Obama asking for 900 million in pork spending and called it a drop in the bucket.
It's interesting how most of us are willing to change or evolve our opinions on the Redskins based on discussions on this board but we are so stubborn when it comes to politics (please note first that I'm just quoting you but not referring explicitly to you). My guess is that with very few exceptions-I count myself among them, a Republican voting for Obama-there are people here who would vote for a Democrat even if a Donkey was the actual candidate while others would vote for a Republican even if an Elephant was the actual candidate.
As for the YouTube clips, you all know my stance on them. They get a bit annoying but you have to be an idiot to base your opinions entirely on them. Of course, they're parsed down clips and of course they're almost always posted by someone with a bias one way or the other. A McCain clip where he accidentally says "prisoners" instead of "citizens" or an Obama clip where he accidentally says "57 states" means absolutely nothing more than they're human beings who make mistakes. If anyone is actually going to the voting booth thinking "Well I can't vote for Obama because he has no idea how many states are in the USA" well then do us all a favor and don't vote.
In short, and I wish I could find the thread that I think someone started on this, F Political Threads. They have became such a "your guy is worse than my guy" waste.
SmootSmack 10-23-2008, 10:02 PM Oh and just to add, I think the religious right certainly has influence over the party otherwise Palin wouldn't be the VP choice
wilsowilso 10-23-2008, 10:03 PM There is no greater domestic threat to individual freedom than the Religious Right. At their core, they are nothing more than Authoritarians, and they can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.
Couldn't agree more.
wilsowilso 10-23-2008, 10:06 PM Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president.
Who are you kidding?
Sorry they don't and if they did McCain would not be running for president. It would be like comparing them to the people you see out rioting in the streets on the left and saying when they vote democratic they have so much power in the dem party. Maybe you need to stop getting your news from google search and open your eyes just a bit. Heck I could start a news net work on the net and I can't even get a Youtube screens to play here. Its fine for a third or forth source but sitting here posting youtube clips day after day is a pit crazy. I'm sure all those clips you play have not ever been edited to met the persons agenda or they leave off the real meaning of what a person is saying. The liberal media is out in full force these past weeks and will be up until election so we do not need every liberal slanted article posted here. If thats going to be the case then maybe we sould start posting every Rush or Hannity article to make things fair and balanced. You say your so open minded but I have not seen one bit of that form you sense we have been talking politics. Heck you even defended Obama asking for 900 million in pork spending and called it a drop in the bucket.
Ok... but I didn't post any youtube clips in this thread...
We're talking about a pretty legit and respected news source in NPR.
I'm guessing you didn't even click on the link let alone read it.
If you want to post stuff from the far right to discuss go right ahead, please do. Post it and let's go to town on it. I think it's funny that some seem to think they're not allowed to post their own threads or something. Personally I have fun discussing this stuff and even though it might not come across over the boards I often do learn new things and consider other sides of debates.
I'm still wondering how much could be save by leaving Iraq. ;)
You know a lot of those YouTube clips are cheap shots, but part of it is just something to spark some conversation. That's how news is today, instant info, react, and move on to the next story. And a lot of times the clips spark some lively debate here. Sometimes not, but it's not like all the talk here is YouTube clips and juvenile potshots.
The Goat 10-24-2008, 01:15 AM McCain never really became part of the inner circle to the Religious Right. W always was a member and that is precisely why his disastrous policy decisions and even more disastrous political appointments never caught up w/ him - dude had about 1/3 of the electorate sealed from day one and just had to piece together enough incidental constituencies to get over 50%.
I'll never forget a classic Bush tale that circulated among evangelicals in my neck of the woods. I heard it from relatives first and then started hearing it from acquaintances and even a few strangers: supposedly a local miner had the opportunity to visit the White House but did not want to leave his wife dying of cancer. He decided to make the trip and after his delegation met w/ the pres as a group Bush took the guy to a private room and said God was calling them to pray together. They prayed. The friggin end. Every time I heard this story I asked what happened to the miner's wife. Nobody knew the answer. In fact, the miner didn't have a name, neither did his wife. And nobody knew when this thing happened. Then I started searching for the story online and in every paper in the state - never found it. It's like a conservative political operative somewhere knows exactly what will touch evangelicals (I actually had people shed tears when they told me this story, but I noticed they never cried until they got to the part about W praying) and then the story just gets retold at church groups, retreats and wherever.
Most of these people don't give a shit about policy, which means they don't give a shit about reality. Helps to explain the mess we're in IMO. Don't think I'm knocking people of faith across the board though. I go to church. C.S. Lewis is a favorite of mine. I just get my news and knowledge from sources beyond Lush Bimbaugh, Hannity, Jimmy Dobson, and O'reilly.
hooskins 10-24-2008, 01:46 AM The far left are annoying and stupid too but they really aren't powerful enough to significantly change this country.
We always have hippies on our campus holding free tibet flags, and sometimes I want to go up to them and ask if they actually know what they are talking about. Good chance they dont, and they just do it to be "cool". And I am positive that is what is with those who are far right. Majority of the activist groups on my campus are like that too. All about talking about how they want to change things and all these big revolutionary ideas that are clearly not even practical.
My friend, getting sick of this stuff, started a genocide speakers series, which gets professors from around the US to speak about the issue and educate on what CAN be done rather fucking sitting around the campfire and singing bob marley.
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JWsleep 10-24-2008, 02:59 AM The thing that most disappoints me about recent US politics is how very polarized everything is. And for that I blame Rove more than anyone. 9/11 should have been like Pearle Harbor; it should have brought the nation together. Instead, it was used to brand the opponents of Bush policy as anti-American. And it got wrapped up with the religious stuff as well. All to build Rove's "permanent" republican majority. That went well.
Meanwhile, it drove the far left off a cliff--conspiracies, embracing anything that's against Bush, no matter how crazy or potentially harmful. They kind of fulfilled Rove's plan.
Then this election came, and I felt pretty good: I liked both Hillary and McCain, and Obama seemed fine, though I didn't know much about him. I figured, hey, no matter who wins, we get something better this time. Than McCain embraced the Rove operatives, picked Palin, and it just spiraled back down hill. Is this really the campaign McCain wanted to run? How did he let it get to this nonsense? Palliing with terrorists? Unamerican folks in congress? It's just milking all those same divisive things and worse. Obama had the balls (unlike Kerry) to answer in kind, but it's a friggin mess.
Hope Obama can really pull in some moderate repubs and serious people to be in his administration. That would help a lot, I think. Chuck Hegel at DOD, Powell anywhere he wants to be, Warren Buffett, whoever. Just bring the country together! We've got some serious issues here.
(Steps off of soap box...)
That Guy 10-24-2008, 03:55 AM The thing that most disappoints me about recent US politics is how very polarized everything is. And for that I blame Rove more than anyone. 9/11 should have been like Pearle Harbor; it should have brought the nation together. Instead, it was used to brand the opponents of Bush policy as anti-American. And it got wrapped up with the religious stuff as well. All to build Rove's "permanent" republican majority. That went well.
Meanwhile, it drove the far left off a cliff--conspiracies, embracing anything that's against Bush, no matter how crazy or potentially harmful. They kind of fulfilled Rove's plan.
Then this election came, and I felt pretty good: I liked both Hillary and McCain, and Obama seemed fine, though I didn't know much about him. I figured, hey, no matter who wins, we get something better this time. Than McCain embraced the Rove operatives, picked Palin, and it just spiraled back down hill. Is this really the campaign McCain wanted to run? How did he let it get to this nonsense? Palliing with terrorists? Unamerican folks in congress? It's just milking all those same divisive things and worse. Obama had the balls (unlike Kerry) to answer in kind, but it's a friggin mess.
Hope Obama can really pull in some moderate repubs and serious people to be in his administration. That would help a lot, I think. Chuck Hegel at DOD, Powell anywhere he wants to be, Warren Buffett, whoever. Just bring the country together! We've got some serious issues here.
(Steps off of soap box...)
leave gates, put powell and buffet anywhere, and we'd be SOO much better off. seriously, those are real heavy weights that actually know what they're doing. powell gives him military respect and an advisor to counter his weakness there, and buffet basically ensures no one can call that a weakness - as long as he's willing to listen to their advise.
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