Paintrain
10-13-2008, 12:31 PM
Jansen looked much like he did in the preseason, like he was on roller skates getting pushed right back into the QB. JC's footwork in the pocket has helped him avoid at least 5 more sacks this year. Heyer is much better in pass pro.
JLee9718
10-13-2008, 12:42 PM
I like Jansen, but I think he still has issues about the coach's decision to put Heyer ahead of him. He talked about his feelings last week when he was interviewed on the Redskins Post Game show after the Eagles win.
hail_2_da_skins
10-13-2008, 01:08 PM
Did you guys watch the same game I watched. The offensive line took a step backwards. They gave up four sacks and two fumbles. They were a direct result of the poor offensive line play. Jansen is a very good run blocker but he is a big liability in the pass game. His man is always putting pressure on the backside. He is outmatched by quicker defensive linemen. Rabach makes so many bad plays it's hard to count. The bad snap that caused a fumble. Getting overpowered by big defensive tackles and noseguards. Campbell got sack by an untouched defensive tackle and on the replay Rabach didn't block anyone. We should be talking about canning Rabach.
I think I want to change my vote to Heyer. JJ was piss poor in pass pro yesterday.
skinsfan69
10-13-2008, 02:32 PM
JJ just can't pass protect anymore. Leonard Little abused him yesterday. Plus if it wasn't for JC avoiding some guys, we take more than 4 sacks. On one play Jansen and Sellers both blocked the same guy, leaving another guy unblocked. Just stuipid shit that shouldn't happen 5 games in the season.
I will say this.....JC's has MUCH better pocket presence and he's been a lot tougher to sack. He has gotten so much better at avoiding guys. That's pure coaching.
skinsfan69
10-13-2008, 02:35 PM
Did you guys watch the same game I watched. The offensive line took a step backwards. They gave up four sacks and two fumbles. They were a direct result of the poor offensive line play. Jansen is a very good run blocker but he is a big liability in the pass game. His man is always putting pressure on the backside. He is outmatched by quicker defensive linemen. Rabach makes so many bad plays it's hard to count. The bad snap that caused a fumble. Getting overpowered by big defensive tackles and noseguards. Campbell got sack by an untouched defensive tackle and on the replay Rabach didn't block anyone. We should be talking about canning Rabach.
That's the risk you take when you're in shotgun. It happens from time to time. IMO JC just need to fall on the ball instead of trying make a Tony Romo play. Racbach screwed up but JC gets gets some blame on that too.
jdlea
10-13-2008, 02:37 PM
That's the risk you take when you're in shotgun. It happens from time to time. IMO JC just need to fall on the ball instead of trying make a Tony Romo play. Racbach screwed up but JC gets gets some blame on that too.
Definitely, JC compounded the problem by not falling on the ball.
GTripp0012
10-13-2008, 02:40 PM
Still Heyer. Jansen is fine, but I said that because he wouldn't have to face a top pass rushing LE. The biggest correctable reason that we lost is because Leonard Little dominated Jon Jansen. This is the second straight week Jansen has been killed in pass pro and yes, by two very fast ends, but the job he did against Dallas has worn off. Heyer needs to be in there when he's healthy.
hooskins
10-13-2008, 02:42 PM
I was in support of Jansen, but I guess I see what Zorn was talking about. If he wants to pass more(like we needed to last game) Jansen is hurting us.
JWsleep
10-13-2008, 02:59 PM
Plus, you'd think Heyer could improve in the run game, while JJ's best pass-pro is now most likely behind him.