JC is not what I thought.

HESITATE?!?!?! Didn't Zorn get on him all training camp and preseason to stop patting the ball before he threw? no INT's but shit man, any DB that studies campbell enough knows that ball is coming! I mean, if we threw at all there would've been picks!

Put in collins, He spanked the giants 8 months ago, he won 4 in a row, he's still got momentum. He should be this teams captain, he can guide this team better than JC. Having him in is the best chance we have.

Just like in Arizona, sit the sucker, start the veteran

Memory is a funny thing .. Collins Spanked them ? The team spanked them you want to know what Collins stat line in NY was in 2007

Att/Comp Yards TD INT Sacks
8/25 156 6.2 0 0 2

one game, new offense... some people just jack their expectations up way too high.

Did anyone expect Matt Hasselbeck to suddenly emerge in the #17 jersey? It took Hasselbeck 2 years to stop sucking in this offense AFTER he had already learned it in GB. Reality check people, the light may flicker for a while but it will eventually come on..

So it would be totally unreasonable to expect any competance from Jason Campbell for another two years?

Great news guys....Our starting QB is 1-5 in his last 6 starts. Thats pretty good right?
LOSER!!!

He hates Campbell he wants Colt we know the story. Colt is another Jeff Garcia he is too little and too slow.

I really have gone from being a Campbell supporter in the OTA's and last year to being on the fence. So for my 2cents:

.01 -- Please stop saying 7 new systems in 8 years. If anyone doesn't know this fact by now, then what can they really bring to this discussion.

.02 -- Zorn has committed to JC, much like Gibbs committed to Theismann before they went 0-5, if Zorn doesn't give JC the chance to succeed, at the possible cost of his first season, then he WILL lose the team.

So it would be totally unreasonable to expect any competance from Jason Campbell for another two years?

No, but it's totally unreasonable to expect him to be quick, efficient and fully comfortable in the system in 6 weeks.

If he consistently improves all season, the wins will come. If he DOES take 2 years to get to a Pro Bowl level then we're winning a lot. I'll take that long term prospect of winning over a pretty performance one night.

One more thought on Campbell, for his first 4 years he was taught by Gibbs to be cautious, cautious, cautious and don't take chances to turn the ball over. What we've heard from Zorn is that JC has to trust himself and cut the ball loose. He's got to overcome 4 years of one way of thinking in 6 months. It's going to take time to not only get comfortable in the WCO but also take time trusting himself to take the chances that he was coached against taking before.

After the 4th down checkdown to Betts at the end of the game, you can see Zorn telling him 'I don't care, you have to throw it.' On the replay you can see that he was trying to get it to Randle-El who was somewhat covered but was beyond the first down sticks. Basically he's got to give his WR a chance to make a play in that situation, but his 'instincts' have been taught for him not to throw that ball. One thing about WCO QB, they have good stats, but also can have some high INT numbers. He's got to get over the fear of the turnover with the expectation that more good will come than harm.

One more thought on Campbell, for his first 4 years he was taught by Gibbs to be cautious, cautious, cautious and don't take chances to turn the ball over. What we've heard from Zorn is that JC has to trust himself and cut the ball loose. He's got to overcome 4 years of one way of thinking in 6 months. It's going to take time to not only get comfortable in the WCO but also take time trusting himself to take the chances that he was coached against taking before.

After the 4th down checkdown to Betts at the end of the game, you can see Zorn telling him 'I don't care, you have to throw it.' On the replay you can see that he was trying to get it to Randle-El who was somewhat covered but was beyond the first down sticks. Basically he's got to give his WR a chance to make a play in that situation, but his 'instincts' have been taught for him not to throw that ball. One thing about WCO QB, they have good stats, but also can have some high INT numbers. He's got to get over the fear of the turnover with the expectation that more good will come than harm.

I think that's a good point and Madden touched on it as well. Along with all the different offenses he's worked in, along with those offenses comes different philosophies and ways of doing things. It's going to take some time for JC to unlearn the way he's been doing things the last couple of years and buy in to what Zorn wants him to do.