Hey, the sun did rise this morning!

collins took us to the playoffs.cambell getting hurt was the only way we would have won 4 straight.(we probably lose that game to the bears)We cant wait till we till we are in the hole before zorn makes the switch.Face it cambell is not getting better.when he holds the ball forever instead of throwing it in the stands. It just shows that his lack of vision and poor accuracy. also he is not mobile.What the heck he has a stronger arm and hes younger than collins. we will never win with him!!!

Right on time! lol!

No that's not good because that means we might actually keep him and see him shanking punts all over the place again this year...lol

I'm with you...but .....I was trying to find the only bright spot even it it's not were we wanted it to be.

It was obvious that the panthers took this game more seriosly than the skins. Steve Smith was all over the place, making efforts that i didn't see the skins WRs make. C. Portis def didnt run as hard as the panthers Rbs. Jansen looked really bad, and of course C. Samuels got man handled by a speed rusher, its his MO now.

I really think that after J. Taylor went down, all the other starter just went into self protection mode. Just don't get hurt, this game is basically just a practice.

Also, I kept wanting to see some player leadership (on the field and sidelines) and I wanted to see some coaches in some players faces (not looking at overhead photos). Which coach is our fire breather?

That was something I noted last night too. There was a lot of head hanging on the sideline, and not enough motivation. I saw guys individually walk over to Campbell a few times and talk and then walk away. I really hope they're not getting frustrated with him.

Hey the sun did rise, i get to watch this game again now on NFL Network.

That was something I noted last night too. There was a lot of head hanging on the sideline, and not enough motivation. I saw guys individually walk over to Campbell a few times and talk and then walk away. I really hope they're not getting frustrated with him.

Well, they didn't show it on TV but supposedly Jim Zorn's head nearly exploded after that third sack on Campbell and he gave Bugel and earful...

Let's see how they respond over the next 2 weeks. I don't need fire and brimstone. I need actual leadership that leads to better play. Different teams and coaches have different styles. Zorn's persona, and especially with the public, is even-keeled. Let's see how that translates to improved play on the field.

Look, if a fiery team gets smacked, everyone says "they should shut up and play ball." If a quieter team loses, everyone says "where's the fire?"

The trick is to play better and win. That's all that matters. There is no single way to lead or to get fired up.

Let's see how they respond over the next 2 weeks. I don't need fire and brimstone. I need actual leadership that leads to better play. Different teams and coaches have different styles. Zorn's persona, and especially with the public, is even-keeled. Let's see how that translates to improved play on the field.

Look, if a fiery team gets smacked, everyone says "they should shut up and play ball." If a quieter team loses, everyone says "where's the fire?"

The trick is to play better and win. That's all that matters. There is no single way to lead or to get fired up.

Agreed, one thing I did like to see though was Zorn's brutal honesty during the post game presser, none of this "well, this team fought their guts out" stuff we used to hear (sorry Joe Gibbs, I love you but it was getting thin)...he was straight up, the team played like crap, it was beaten down to the last man, and it needs to get better...

To those of you who want Todd Collins to be our starter....FORGET IT! It's not going to happen. He's 38 and has never been a starter in this league! When Campbell went down last year It was obvious Gibbs relenquished his ultra-conservative play calling to Saunders. We were a much more aggressive offense just based on the play calling alone. Did Collins know the system better than Campbell? Sure, but it's a new era and a completely new offense now. Sorry fans, but it will take a while for EVERYONE to grasp. Not just Jason Campbell. Our recievers now will have many option routes based on what the defense shows on any given play. If our wideouts are not on the same page as our quaterback, this offense will not go. If you really want to compare QB's, so far in this preseason Jason Campbell has had MUCH better numbers against guys that will actually be in this league in another week.. Todd has looked just as confused against guys that will be working construction in a week... So stop the "Make Collins our starter" stuff.

safety karrem moore looked good .Douty is not a starter without landry were average at best. the defense got hung out out to dry they played good early.jason cambell is a blind man.