ESPN: Is Campbell a break out player?

Not sure how valid these stats are...

iWon - NFL League Stats (http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html)

Moss had 10 drops last year.
Here's a sample of some other receivers and their drop numbers from last year (along with receiving yards):

Braylon Edwards - 12 (1,289)
Terrell Owens - 10 (1,355)
Randy Moss - 9 (1,493)

Just because a receiver drops passes, doesn't mean they aren't good. I think you are making too big a deal out of Moss' drops, Jsarno.

It's just like when people were sleeping on Clinton after the 06 season.. They were like "Portis is too old, he's too injury prone, he'll never be the same, blah,blah,blah" all that is nonsense. Moss has been slowed by injuries and inconsistant QB play, also, a lack of other playmakers at the WR spot. But now, that' is all taken care of and anyone who knows anything about football knows that this year, Sanatana probably will be his most dangerous. The WCO will help Moss alot and you will see just how much the change in offense and the new additions will benefit Moss. I'm not a Moss lover, I think he played shotty the past 2 years, but there has been a lackluster offense period, and you can't blame him for that. in 05' teams didnt have film on Santana with us and look waht he did. in 06' teams knew how to defend us and made it VERY predictable.. we didnt have any other threats to compliment santana an ARE.. They could double team and roll coverage towards them and totally take them out the game. They wont be able to do that this year, not at all. Santana is not T.O, but he's not a punk either

back to the topic, Campbell is def going to be a breakout player.. I just dont see a player like Jason bombing like the 49ers qb, or shit like that. Jason shows promise and everything you want to see in a young QB, he just needs more gametime experience.

I'm sorry but I honestly think Jason is better than Rivers,Eli manning,Roethlisberger, and donovan mcnabb. Yes he makes mistakes, but you cant expect him to not make those because thats how you learn. They say the one thing about Jason is that he's eager to learn, and that says alot about him not only as QB, but as a person.

There isn't a Redskins fan here who shows more love for Santana Moss than I do, I will NEVER forget that MNF game against Dallas. I would love for him to have another 05 like season this year....he has to! If he doesn't, the writing is on the wall for him. I can see both sides of the back and forth arguments here, on one hand, I think a lot of people here remember that 05 season for Moss and how special he was here, but on the other, the numbers don't lie and Moss's last 2 season have been anything but special....BUT I completely agree about the QB play and the offense being a big part of that.

So, with all that said, we will see this year, because I truly believe that Moss will get his opportunities this year. I wish him ALL the best!

Not sure how valid these stats are...

iWon - NFL League Stats (http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/passesdropped.html)

Moss had 10 drops last year.
Here's a sample of some other receivers and their drop numbers from last year (along with receiving yards):

Braylon Edwards - 12 (1,289)
Terrell Owens - 10 (1,355)
Randy Moss - 9 (1,493)

Just because a receiver drops passes, doesn't mean they aren't good. I think you are making too big a deal out of Moss' drops, Jsarno.

You may be right, and certain games stick out in my mind with drops.

You are forgetting 2 things though, the amount of targets and the reception to drop ratio:
Randy Moss was targeted 159 times, 9 drops. (1 drop every 17.67 targets)
Edwards was targeted 153 times, 12 drops. (1 drop every 12.75 targets)
Owens was targeted 141 times, 10 drops. (1 drop every 14.1 targets)
Moss was targeted 115 times, 10 drops. (1 drop every 11.5 targets)

If we compare their respective receptions vs drops, Santana's is worse again:
Randy Moss drops a pass every 10.89 receptions.
Edwards drops a pass every 6.67 receptions.
Owens drops a pass every 8.1 receptions.
Moss drops a pass every 6.1 receptions.

So while Edwards dropped more than he should have, they all are significantly better than Santana. Also, we are pretty vocal about how crappy Owens hands are and he drops more passes than anyone, so to compare Santana to Owens isn't exactly proving anything, especially when Owens actually catches more.

I think we've all said what needed to be said. We are all hoping Moss returns to form. There is no doubt he has not been what we have needed him to be the past two years, and there seems to be no doubt that Santana has the talent. Like redskins247 says, if he doesn't return to form, the writing is on the wall. I love his hustle, and his intensity...he's fun to watch, and I'll root for him as loudly as ever this year, but I certainly avoided him in fantasy leagues. I am BEGGING him to show me that was a bad move on my part!

You may be right, and certain games stick out in my mind with drops.

You are forgetting 2 things though, the amount of targets and the reception to drop ratio:
Randy Moss was targeted 159 times, 9 drops. (1 drop every 17.67 targets)
Edwards was targeted 153 times, 12 drops. (1 drop every 12.75 targets)
Owens was targeted 141 times, 10 drops. (1 drop every 14.1 targets)
Moss was targeted 115 times, 10 drops. (1 drop every 11.5 targets)

If we compare their respective receptions vs drops, Santana's is worse again:
Randy Moss drops a pass every 10.89 receptions.
Edwards drops a pass every 6.67 receptions.
Owens drops a pass every 8.1 receptions.
Moss drops a pass every 6.1 receptions.

So while Edwards dropped more than he should have, they all are significantly better than Santana. Also, we are pretty vocal about how crappy Owens hands are and he drops more passes than anyone, so to compare Santana to Owens isn't exactly proving anything, especially when Owens actually catches more.

I think we've all said what needed to be said. We are all hoping Moss returns to form. There is no doubt he has not been what we have needed him to be the past two years, and there seems to be no doubt that Santana has the talent. Like redskins247 says, if he doesn't return to form, the writing is on the wall. I love his hustle, and his intensity...he's fun to watch, and I'll root for him as loudly as ever this year, but I certainly avoided him in fantasy leagues. I am BEGGING him to show me that was a bad move on my part!Good info. Moss definately did not help the team last year, especially while Campbell was the QB.

I don't think that means he CAN'T help the team this year. If he produces something like his 2006 season, which was in the middle of his 2007 and 2005 production, I think he can be a valuable contributor for us.

Good info. Moss definately did not help the team last year, especially while Campbell was the QB.

I don't think that means he CAN'T help the team this year. If he produces something like his 2006 season, which was in the middle of his 2007 and 2005 production, I think he can be a valuable contributor for us.

I agree.

I'll be ecstatic if he produces like he did the last 3 weeks of the season:
15 catches, 261 yards and 2 tds. That would translate to 80 catches 1392 yards and 11 tds over the course of a full season.

Not to pee in your cheerios angry, but Moss ranked 39th last year (in normal leagues) as a fantasy WR. He ranked 46th in TD leagues.

Also, he is projected to be the 31st best WR this year according to different magazines.
Being projected 31st and being ranked 39th / 46th last year means he should be a 3rd wr at best for your team. (considering most leagues are made up of 10-14 teams)

jsarno..........I agree with you on your post with one exception. When Moss plays Dallas he is a elite receiver. I know that we don't have the luxury to play Dallas 16 games, but Moss is a Cowboy killer and for two games he is a MUST START.

jsarno..........I agree with you on your post with one exception. When Moss plays Dallas he is a elite receiver. I know that we don't have the luxury to play Dallas 16 games, but Moss is a Cowboy killer and for two games he is a MUST START.

Very true!

Here are his games vs Dallas:
2007
8 / 115 / 1
9 / 121 / 1
2006
4 / 69 / 0
2005
2 / 73 / 0
5 / 159 / 2
2003 *-with jets
5 / 65 / 0

In 6 games, he has 33 catches, 602 yards, and 4 tds.

If all Moss did was play Dallas over a full 16 game season, he'd have 88 catches, 1607 yards, and 11 tds. Yeah, that's certainly a coyboy killer. Gotta love that.

Very true!

Here are his games vs Dallas:
2007
8 / 115 / 1
9 / 121 / 1
2006
4 / 69 / 0
2005
2 / 73 / 0
5 / 159 / 2
2003 *-with jets
5 / 65 / 0

In 6 games, he has 33 catches, 602 yards, and 4 tds.

If all Moss did was play Dallas over a full 16 game season, he'd have 88 catches, 1607 yards, and 11 tds. Yeah, that's certainly a coyboy killer. Gotta love that.

All I have to say is after seeing Moss in training camp he is the fastest man in the East. If we (JC) gets the ball to him in this season and next, and the next, the man is a HOFer for sure. Go MOSS...

P.S. I'm a little biased because I have like 7 sigs of his on everything Skins stuff I own. ha ha..