Jason Campbell and the WCO

I think it's preseason, and to point this out yet again, we scored the most points in preseason history when Spurrier started his tenure here, and we came out like lame ducks.
I'm not saying Campbell will fall into that catagory, just saying, I'm waiting before I make any judgement cause it doesn't matter right now.

You had to remind me. I had kinda like, blacked the entire Spurrier thing from memory but now, I vividly remember being super hyped that presesaon and getting peed on by SS.

I think it's preseason, and to point this out yet again, we scored the most points in preseason history when Spurrier started his tenure here, and we came out like lame ducks.
I'm not saying Campbell will fall into that catagory, just saying, I'm waiting before I make any judgement cause it doesn't matter right now.

JSarno,
I dont know why you are minimizing preseason so much.
It is a great way to evaluate talent and implement new systems.

You have a point about Spurrier, but don't forget people had blinders on because of this "new offensive genius" who was going to light it up in the NFL.
The reality is he had the starters playing against 2nd and 3rd string....and that doesn't mean jack.

In comparison, look at last 2 years offensive struggles in preseason, particularly in the passing game. I was concerned then as I knew it was a matter of legitamate 1st string on 1st string struggles....and it translated to the seaason.

Many of us watch the preseason to evaluate talent and get a feel for how effective the new offense will be. At this point, I'd say I am optimistic.
I too am skeptical of pre-season but I dont discount it completely

I"m happy with jason and the progress of the offense so far. The only guy that worries me is Jon Jansen. He can't block anybody. I'm gonna predict it now, I think Chad Rinehart my be starting at right tackle sooner rather than later.

Jason went 13-0 (and got robbed not getting to play for a natn'l title) in this offense in his senior year at Auburn, and continued to learn a version of it as a rookie with Bill Musgrave. So it's a much easier transition than, say, a certain 700 page playbook. :doh:

JC looks great so far. He's using his check-downs well too. I'm pretty sure Zorn is gradually rolling out the plays in live action. I'm not too concerned about the lack of deep plays thus far. We're working the sidelines and the middle of the field equally well, and the run game looks very good. Save for the rookie WR injuries, I'm very pleased.

Jason has all the tools- He's unflappable, he's becoming a leader, he's tall, mobile, and has a friggin rifle arm, and most importantly, he's got the work ethic. Plus he's only 26. The sky's the limit. I just hope Jansen can keep DE's out of his face.
this is a good post, and i believe, dead on

Our offense has struggled for many years. The defense has improved over that time. Defense was # 11 last year in points allowed. Last year, we averaged under 21 points a game (18th) and we still made the playoffs. It looks like the offense should score more points this year. I long for the day when we ranked # 1 in offense (1991: 30.3 points per game, with an average differential of 16.3 points). We went 14-2 that year and won the Super Bowl, as you know.

We need to score, on average, another TD per game. If we can do that, we are on our way!

I think it is possible, but I also think the Redskins are going to win the Super Bowl every year.

I think it's preseason, and to point this out yet again, we scored the most points in preseason history when Spurrier started his tenure here, and we came out like lame ducks.
I'm not saying Campbell will fall into that catagory, just saying, I'm waiting before I make any judgement cause it doesn't matter right now.

Spurrier also played starters for a large portion of the preseason games to run up the score.

I think it absolutely does matter right now. How he's transitioning is very important, and the only real gague of that is live action. And so far JC looks very sharp. I'm not saying he's gonna throw 35 TDs or have 4000 yards, but he's obviously picking up Zorn's offense well.

You had to remind me. I had kinda like, blacked the entire Spurrier thing from memory but now, I vividly remember being super hyped that presesaon and getting peed on by SS.

We may not be scoring as many points as we did in the preseason of 2002, but I think this is a much better team. I don't remember specifically but weren't we giving up like 30+ points a game back then.

More importantly, that team was very undisciplined. I think they averaged 10+ penalties per game. We are averaging around 4 or 5 now.

I do not think the Spurrier analogy is any good. That was an untested and, eventually, unsuited system for the NFL. And you have to admit (go back and look, if that's possible) that this team looks very different from the Spurrier teams, even in preseason. This team is executing a proven pro system very efficiently for preseason. And we certainly have not seen lots of the playbook. In his presser today, Zorn said he didn't call any "shots" in this game, though he meant to going in. So it's not that he's been trying to hit them and missing. We'll see them on down the line. I, for one, am very interested to see JC hit a few deep ones. That part of his arsenal should be a strength, but he's been off in his pro career so far. My guess is Zorn will help with that too.

Also, we saw very little TE stuff this game. With Cooley and Davis out there, we're going to get some great production from the TE.

As for JC, he looks very confident and comfortable in this system with these coaches. In the Saunders offense, he often looked out of sync. Not so thus far. And the spirit of the team on offense is excellent. Whereas I am not sure that some folks EVER bought into the Saunders system, I don't know of anyone bitching about Zorn's WC + Buges run game.

Cautiously optimistic at this point. It's early, but it feels right so far.

Guys, point is, IT'S PRESEASON! Have we not learned our lesson at all?

I am not comparing this preseason to Spurrier's, even though it appears like it, I am not saying Campbell is the 2nd coming of Wuerffel...all I am saying is, what is happening right now, means nothing. The cowboys lost every game in preseason and went on to win the super bowl. If I recall the Patriots lost almost all, or all of their preseason games and went on to win the super bowl. Just like the Lions have had excellent preseason outputs and sucked in the regular season, and I use Spurrier's Skins team as an example of a team that looked GREAT in preseason and sucked during the regular season. So it doesn't make a LICK of difference if he's looking good now...hundreds of players have looked good in preseason, that in no way means it translates into good performance for the season. Hopefully in this case, it will...but when you're facing players that probably know they have made the team (1st stringers) and are just trying to get into game shape, you can't take the results seriously yet.

I think Jason looks good out there. But the main thing is he's being consistent. 5-5 in the hall of fame game and 7-10 last night. It seems like he's becoming more and more comfortable every time I see him play.