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	Commanders Post at The Warpath > Commanders Football > Locker Room Main Forum > John Clayton Addresses The Skins PDA John Clayton Addresses The Skins Pages : 1 2 [3] rypper11 08-01-2008, 09:01 AM It's not as easy to get sacks now as it use to be given the rule changes (ie QB can throw away, can't touch a QB high or low...). That being said, the Giants proved that pressures are just as important as sacks. Hog1 08-01-2008, 09:38 AM Not really. Probably says more to our lack of doing anything over the years to get anything like Manley and Mann Au contraire Naysayer, My good friend Beem calls your "not really", and raises you a "most underrated DE tandem in NFL history". What say you? 50 sacks for the year works out to 3.12 sacks per game. The last time the Redskins had at least 50 sacks was 1991. In fact, here's the whole list of season sack totals going back to 1982 and where we ranked in the league... 2007 -- 33 sacks, 16th 2006 -- 19 sacks, 32nd (yuck, worst ever in league history) 2005 -- 35, 20th 2004 -- 40, 9th 2003 -- 27, 27th 2002 -- 40, 9th 2001 -- 25, 29th 2000 -- 45, 8th 1999 -- 40, 14th 1998 -- 33, 26th 1997 -- 37, 21st 1996 -- 34, 17th 1995 -- 30, 20th 1994 -- 28, 21st 1993 -- 31, 23rd 1992 -- 39, 16th 1991 -- 50, 3rd 1990 -- 45, 4th 1989 -- 40, 10th 1988 -- 43, 7th 1987 -- 53, 4th Strike shortened season 1986 -- 55, 5th 1985 -- 52, 9th 1984 -- 66, 2nd 1983 -- 51, 6th 1982 -- 32, 3rd Strike shortened season Take note that from 1982 - 1991, otherwise known as "The Glory Years", Joe Gibbs' Redskins never finished worse than the top ten in the league in sack totals. Dexter Manley and Charles Mann have to be the most underrated DE tandem in NFL history. __________________ Somebody else for president. jdlea 08-01-2008, 10:01 AM I know it's almost idiotic to suggest this... but is it possible that Jason Taylor is not as good as his numbers suggest? I'm NOT saying he will be a bust but it seems like people almost expect 15 sacks this year from him which i don't think is a given. He played in an 'ok' division but nothing compared to the competitiveness and talent of the NFC east. I'd like to see him play in a down of football on a team other than the Miami Dolphins before I jump to the conclusion that we have created the greatest tandem of DE's in pro football history. Am I crazy? I'm not going to say you're crazy, but to think that a guy's numbers shouldn't mean as much because he plays in a "weaker division" is a little ludicrous. For starters, every team in the NFL has lineman who can play, to suggest otherwise is just wrong. Second, and most important, is: Who else was on that defense? Jason Taylor was the main focus of every line he played against, that will probably be the same here, but it may not. Jason is going to face more double teams and chips, but even if he doesn't get there all the time, he's going to occupy offensive lines meaning Andre Carter, who is a better pass rusher than anyone else on the Miami Dolphins last season, is probably goign to get there more often. Finally, this is the same division where Winston Justice gave up four sacks to Osi last year, so to suggest that the talent in the NFC East is that much better than every other division is just plain wrong. Miller101 08-01-2008, 10:53 AM Au contraire Naysayer, My good friend Beem calls your "not really", and raises you a "most underrated DE tandem in NFL history". What say you? 50 sacks for the year works out to 3.12 sacks per game. The last time the Redskins had at least 50 sacks was 1991. In fact, here's the whole list of season sack totals going back to 1982 and where we ranked in the league... 2007 -- 33 sacks, 16th 2006 -- 19 sacks, 32nd (yuck, worst ever in league history) 2005 -- 35, 20th 2004 -- 40, 9th 2003 -- 27, 27th 2002 -- 40, 9th 2001 -- 25, 29th 2000 -- 45, 8th 1999 -- 40, 14th 1998 -- 33, 26th 1997 -- 37, 21st 1996 -- 34, 17th 1995 -- 30, 20th 1994 -- 28, 21st 1993 -- 31, 23rd 1992 -- 39, 16th 1991 -- 50, 3rd 1990 -- 45, 4th 1989 -- 40, 10th 1988 -- 43, 7th 1987 -- 53, 4th Strike shortened season 1986 -- 55, 5th 1985 -- 52, 9th 1984 -- 66, 2nd 1983 -- 51, 6th 1982 -- 32, 3rd Strike shortened season Take note that from 1982 - 1991, otherwise known as "The Glory Years", Joe Gibbs' Redskins never finished worse than the top ten in the league in sack totals. Dexter Manley and Charles Mann have to be the most underrated DE tandem in NFL history. __________________ Somebody else for president. I hear you Hog1, but you can't forget about Dave Butz. That guy was a monster and always held up double or triple teams. Heck, he would still make plays while being double and trippled teamed!! Now, don't get me wrong. I miss manley and mann. I miss hearing Manley saying things like, "I'm gonna ring his clock!" Or "Mike Ditka is some sort of bumb!" And then he would apologize for it later saying he meant no offense by it! I'm just saying that you got to factor Butz into those sack totals. SmootSmack 08-01-2008, 10:54 AM Au contraire Naysayer, My good friend Beem calls your "not really", and raises you a "most underrated DE tandem in NFL history". What say you? 50 sacks for the year works out to 3.12 sacks per game. The last time the Redskins had at least 50 sacks was 1991. In fact, here's the whole list of season sack totals going back to 1982 and where we ranked in the league... 2007 -- 33 sacks, 16th 2006 -- 19 sacks, 32nd (yuck, worst ever in league history) 2005 -- 35, 20th 2004 -- 40, 9th 2003 -- 27, 27th 2002 -- 40, 9th 2001 -- 25, 29th 2000 -- 45, 8th 1999 -- 40, 14th 1998 -- 33, 26th 1997 -- 37, 21st 1996 -- 34, 17th 1995 -- 30, 20th 1994 -- 28, 21st 1993 -- 31, 23rd 1992 -- 39, 16th 1991 -- 50, 3rd 1990 -- 45, 4th 1989 -- 40, 10th 1988 -- 43, 7th 1987 -- 53, 4th Strike shortened season 1986 -- 55, 5th 1985 -- 52, 9th 1984 -- 66, 2nd 1983 -- 51, 6th 1982 -- 32, 3rd Strike shortened season Take note that from 1982 - 1991, otherwise known as "The Glory Years", Joe Gibbs' Redskins never finished worse than the top ten in the league in sack totals. Dexter Manley and Charles Mann have to be the most underrated DE tandem in NFL history. __________________ Somebody else for president. Never said that Mann and Manley weren't awesome. Just saying that the Redskins (and I know Beem would agree here) that they haven't exactly taken strong measures until now to restore that greatness on the ends. Hog1 08-01-2008, 11:01 AM I hear you Hog1, but you can't forget about Dave Butz. That guy was a monster and always held up double or triple teams. Heck, he would still make plays while being double and trippled teamed!! Now, don't get me wrong. I miss manley and mann. I miss hearing Manley saying things like, "I'm gonna ring his clock!" Or "Mike Ditka is some sort of bumb!" And then he would apologize for it later saying he meant no offense by it! I'm just saying that you got to factor Butz into those sack totals. NO DOUBT, they did not do it alone. It was a wicked Swarming D through those years Hog1 08-01-2008, 11:06 AM Never said that Mann and Manley weren't awesome. Just saying that the Redskins (and I know Beem would agree here) that they haven't exactly taken strong measures until now to restore that greatness on the ends. I believe the actual response was "Not really"? However, I would agree with you that we have not done ............enough since, to bring back that type of dominance. HTTR, and kick the Colt's pre-season, meaningless, no starters in the game ass's!!!!!!!!!!! Soup's Uncle 08-01-2008, 11:07 AM For God sakes let the season start.