Jason Campbell article (CBS Sports)

Ramsey was the guy....for Week 1. But I don't think Zorn's commitment to JC is identical to Gibbs' commitment to Ramsey. We all knew that Ramsey was on a very short leash and wasn't Gibbs' first choice.

Zorn, on the other hand, hasn't said or done anything which would indicate that he prefers Collins to Campbell. In fact, as the article points out, Zorn said that he doesn't care if Collins really outplays Campbell in the preseason. Moreover, Zorn was supposedly hired to, at least in large part, to coach up JC. So, I find it hard to believe that he would pull JC early in the season and implicitly admit that he failed to achieve one of his top objectives (i.e., turn our first round talent into real production).

Gibbs said PR was his guy and if memory serves most people on this site ripped me when I said otherwise. IMO that means most didnt think PR was on any kind of a leash. I agree that Zorn doesnt seem to prefer TC to JC but there is no way Zorn will let the ship go down with JC at the helm. If JC isnt getting it done TC will become the starter. This is a make or break year for JC. Either he starts getting it done or Zorn & Co. move on.

Was anyone really surprised when Ramsey got yanked? He didn't do anything to solidify himself as the guy, and Brunell was Gibbs' handpicked QB. And in the end the team went 10-6 and made the playoffs. Tough to argue with the results.

Gibbs said PR was his guy and if memory serves most people on this site ripped me when I said otherwise. IMO that means most didnt think PR was on any kind of a leash. I agree that Zorn doesnt seem to prefer TC to JC but there is no way Zorn will let the ship go down with JC at the helm. If JC isnt getting it done TC will become the starter. This is a make or break year for JC. Either he starts getting it done or Zorn & Co. move on.

TC will become the started, or we'll find away to aquire a differnt QB.

Was anyone really surprised when Ramsey got yanked? He didn't do anything to solidify himself as the guy, and Brunell was Gibbs' handpicked QB. And in the end the team went 10-6 and made the playoffs. Tough to argue with the results.

And if JC doesn't "do anything to solidify himself as the guy" none of should be surprised when he also gets yanked.

Was anyone really surprised when Ramsey got yanked? He didn't do anything to solidify himself as the guy, and Brunell was Gibbs' handpicked QB.

I think almost everyone was surprised PR was yanked before the 3rd quarter of the 1st game was over. I predicted by the 4th game and was laughed at by everyone on this site because Gibbs said PR was his QB and there was no questioning what Gibbs said.

Was anyone really surprised when Ramsey got yanked? He didn't do anything to solidify himself as the guy, and Brunell was Gibbs' handpicked QB. And in the end the team went 10-6 and made the playoffs. Tough to argue with the results.

I was surprised and very much against the decision at the time. In retrospect, it probably was the right decision. (Ramsey hasn't done anything to show us, the Jets or Broncos that he's starter material). He has to go down as a bust.

I'm hoping for a little leeway with JC this year. The reports I have heard out of camp so far have been less than encouraging but it's still early. The worst thing the fans can do is start clamoring for the back up before the season begins.

I'm of the opinion that he gets this whole season and maybe the start of next. I really don't think it's fair to judge a guy on 20 starts and 7 coordinators in 8 years (going back to college).

agreed. but with an asterisk: if campbell does not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is 'the guy' this year, he does not get a contract extension, we draft another qb and have an open competition next offseason between the rookie, brennan and campbell.

personally, i think he mainly needs to improve at reading defenses. if it weren't for bad reads (which lead to interceptions) late in the games against the cowboys and the bucs, we could easily have been 11-5.

TC will become the started, or we'll find away to aquire a differnt QB.

I really hope you're wrong. Todd Collins should have looked better last year, he knew the system inside and out. He is the consumate backup quarterback, the guy can come in and get the job done, but he's not a starter in this league. If Zorn starts Collins, I'm not going to be a happy man.

There are usually growing pains with a young quarterback. That's the nature of the beast when you install a young QB. It's naive to think that anyone should have the same sort of success Brady and Rothlisberger had immediately. Look at Peyton Manning, he was brutal his first season, but they let him learn. Most guys don't do well when they first become a starter in the NFL.

This argument about how long to give a young quarterback is one that doesn't really have a solution. I really hope, though, that Zorn doesn't have the quick hook that you're implying he should.

agreed. but with an asterisk: if campbell does not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is 'the guy' this year, he does not get a contract extension, we draft another qb and have an open competition next offseason between the rookie, brennan and campbell.

personally, i think he mainly needs to improve at reading defenses. if it weren't for bad reads (which lead to interceptions) late in the games against the cowboys and the bucs, we could easily have been 11-5.

I see your point, however, the pick against the Boys I had a problem with because you can't run a fade route with Santana Moss. It was a horrible route to a small reciever. I think that his year, with some bigger recievers, those sorts of throws will start to go away.

He's going to have issues this season. He needs to progress as the year goes on, but for anyone who thinks there won't be any growing pains this year (with a new offense, head coach, O coordinator) is crazy.

He's going to have issues this season. He needs to progress as the year goes on, but for anyone who thinks there won't be any growing pains this year (with a new offense, head coach, O coordinator) is crazy.

absolutely. but i think there is more pressure on the defense to maintain (or, hopefully, increase) their level of play. we have too much talent on offense to be much worse than we were last year, despite growing pains. i don't think any of our starters approached their potential except cooley and randle el.