Redskins trade for Jason Taylor (updated)

Hindsight sure is a bitch, funny that 92% of people approved of the trade when it happened.

Well I was not one of them. This was an awful trade and IMO it should've costed Vinny his job. Parcells is no idiot and when he saw that Taylor wasn't training for the upcoming season, and was off in Hollywood on Dancing w/ The Stars he knew Taylor wasn't putting football first....so he got rid of him.

Yeah I know, but I don't know if he knows. Or if he really believes that we signed him for a one-year deal.

I hope Taylor comes back. He has a very limited injury history, and he showed his talent last year when healthy. I think we can get a good year out of him. We still need a run-stopper. Really liking Tyson Jackson these days, but not at #13

I agree. I mean I was all for the trade when it happened, at the time I thought we could be good enough and with a legit pass rusher we could go over the edge. I still think Taylor can play, and would like to see him here for a healthy season (cap willing)...

Not sure why you are so hung up on what he did during his offseason but let's look at what he's done on the field. I think that speaks for itself.

The dancing thing is long over, he's going to show up ready to roll. He's always kept himself in great shape, there's a good reason why he's still such a high performer at his age.

As it turns out he wasn't ready to roll and had a bad pre season...even before he got hurt.

Thanks for pointing this out Matty. People just love to complain. I swear this sounds like a Lions board rather than a team that went 8-8 with a rookie HC. I'm sick of all this negativity, it's like people that thought signing JT was a bad idea are getting high of the fact that they were right.

I was ok with this signing, and unfortunately for the team it didn't work out due to JT's injury. It's a shame that he didn't produce as he did for Miami last season.Well, looking at the tone of this whole thread, I would say it's was overwhelmingly positive on the move at the time.

People here know that I don't bring up every thread I'm right on. What's the point? I could dig up 2007 draft threads where people say JaMarcus Russell is unquestionably the next great NFL QB, or 2008 draft threads where people argued in favor of insanity that Mel Kiper could have possibly been wrong on the quality of our second round. But I'd also have to bring up threads like the one where I tried to argue that Matt Ryan wouldn't be a franchise QB and such.

I only brought this thread up because people are bitching constantly about the fact that we traded away picks, but when we are actually trading away the picks, people think it's crazy to question the front office for doing so. Then they themselves will spend all of draft season bitching about it.

Plus, it's fun to look back at what people, especially the confident ones, had to say before the season.

Well, looking at the tone of this whole thread, I would say it's was overwhelmingly positive on the move at the time.

People here know that I don't bring up every thread I'm right on. What's the point? I could dig up 2007 draft threads where people say JaMarcus Russell is unquestionably the next great NFL QB, or 2008 draft threads where people argued in favor of insanity that Mel Kiper could have possibly been wrong on the quality of our second round. But I'd also have to bring up threads like the one where I tried to argue that Matt Ryan wouldn't be a franchise QB and such.

I only brought this thread up because people are bitching constantly about the fact that we traded away picks, but when we are actually trading away the picks, people think it's crazy to question the front office for doing so. Then they themselves will spend all of draft season bitching about it.

Plus, it's fun to look back at what people, especially the confident ones, had to say before the season.

Gtripp, I was referring to the people that posted after your recent post and were like: see signing JT was a mistake....we knew this would happen...the FO sucks for doing this....etc., etc. And you're right, there are prob ppl that complain about trading picks away who were in favor of the JT trade. Like I said, to me the naysayers of this trade (then) seem to be glad they were right and this trade failed.

Gtripp, I was referring to the people that posted after your recent post and were like: see signing JT was a mistake....we knew this would happen...the FO sucks for doing this....etc., etc. And you're right, there are prob ppl that complain about trading picks away who were in favor of the JT trade. Like I said, to me the naysayers of this trade (then) seem to be glad they were right and this trade failed.Well, re-reading my post, it perhaps looks like I was criticizing you, but I was actually trying to re-inforce your point about the negativity. It's insane.

It's insane (I believe) because people got really, really happy about the Taylor trade, which as fans, they really should be happy. But they were only that happy because they didn't understand the value of a 2nd round pick in 2009. The thread was in July, the economy was growing, and the 2009 NFL Draft was on no ones mind. Now people WANT to release Jason Taylor because of his high cap number, and bitch that we shouldn't have done the trade.

I think you have the right attitude here. You supported the deal at the time, it didn't work out, why dwell on it? I wish more people would take your approach to it.

I disagree though that others who expressed concern shouldn't be able to point out that they knew what they were talking about. It was 92-8 in favor of the deal...so tempered optimism appears to have been the right approach.

In hindsight. If Jason Taylor had gone off for 13 sacks and the Redskins had won 10 games, we wouldn't have cared about that second rounder.

I don't hold Taylor responsible for any of this. He did everything Blache asked him to do while he was here to the best of his 34 year old ability. His sack total was the product of his injury plauged body combined with a (IMO) oftentimes moronic defensive gameplan. It was also second highest on the team.

Now you're talking semantics. It's still for 1 year and it cost us a 2nd round draft pick. All I'm saying is why not sign the guy to a 2 year contract and at least get some kind of value for giving away your future draft pick. If Taylor or any other FA that Vinny signed didn't like the terms of the contract, then let them go else where and we keep our draft picks.
Vinny has done this multiple times with FA acquisitions. We give up future draft picks, pay the aging star a ton of money and sign him up for ...1 year.
I'm sorry but it just doesn't make sense to me. We get nothing in return for giving away our future Draft picks and then usually end up losing that player after his 1 year is up. All that does is show desperation on the part of the Redskins and gives the upper hand to the "1 year Wonder".

Semantics? You said they signed him to a 1 year deal which simply isn't true. Say what you mean and mean what you say in the future so we don't have to argue about "semantics".

Amazingly I didn't post. LOL. I went to see what I said so I could wipe the egg off my face considering I was for the trade and felt having Carter, Taylor, and James would make us 110 % better. As people have said "Hind sight is 20/20."

As it turns out he wasn't ready to roll and had a bad pre season...even before he got hurt.

I'm not sure what conditioning could have done in regard to his injuries. He got rolled up on in the preseason Panthers game, and he got kicked in the calf which caused the compartment syndrome that needed surgery. Those definitely were not injuries due to lack of conditioning, it was shit luck. A healthy JT is still capable of being a productive player in this league, but it probably won't be here.

Semantics? You said they signed him to a 1 year deal which simply isn't true. Say what you mean and mean what you say in the future so we don't have to argue about "semantics".

He was signed for 1 year. He had a 1 year deal here. He was obligated to play for 1 year in Washington.
Like it or not, I call it semantics as he was signed to a 1 (one) year deal to play for the Redskins. Arguing about whether or not he was actually signed to a "contract" is irrelevant. My point was why only 1 year? Why not try and get at least 2 years out of a player that you gave away future draft picks for?
I'll cede the contract argument to you, just answer my question. Is it worth signing FA players to 1 year contracts (or whatever) when giving away future draft picks then in order to keep that same player, you have to re negotiate his contract for millions of dollars more? Do you see any logic in the way Vinny goes after these FA's?