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irish 07-21-2008, 10:37 AM The dancing stuff is meaningless and if anything helped improve his conditioning.
I wish the Skins had a player they drafted ready to step up but thats just not how the Skins do business. I think if JTs head and heart are still into football this could work out great for the Skins. If not this will be another high profile flop. I think his head and heart are still into it and expect this move to pay off.
jbcjr14 07-21-2008, 10:38 AM Wanted to weigh in with my thoughts:
1) I'm surprised to hear the Skins had the cap room to accomodate this. They must have made some other cap moves that me and CC (and another source, PCINOZ) were not aware of.
2) Given that Cerrato seems to be privy to information indicating Taylor will play beyond this season, I'll gladly give up a 2 and a 6 for two seasons of Jason Taylor.
3) I am slightly concerned with Taylor being asked to switch from RDE which he played in Miami, to LDE here. It's a slight concern, but I can't imagine he's going to go off for 15 sacks when making that switch.
4) But still, if we can get 8 sacks from him on that side, it will make a huge difference. The impact should not be underestimated. Because of his presence, our DTs will see more one-on-ones. They should be freed to be more active and make more stops. Our corners won't be asked to cover for quite as long. But the biggest impact of all: turnovers. What wins in the NFL? Turnover margin. It's the single biggest factor in winning. Pressure from Taylor and Carter, combined with Landry's range in the secondary, should produce more INTs. The chance of QB fumbles goes up, too.
I think we just went from a 7-9 team to a 9-7 team. This swung me around, consider me an optimist. Good move.
I am not sure why some are worried about this? If you remember when the Phins played the Skins last season, Taylor lined up all over the line! If you watched some other Phins games (I know, hard to do) he lines up all over the line to get the best matchup. I do think he will be fine at either end and wouldn't be surprised if he moved around, got up in a 2pt, whatever it takes to create the matchup.
I am not sure why some are worried about this? If you remember when the Phins played the Skins last season, Taylor lined up all over the line! If you watched some other Phins games (I know, hard to do) he lines up all over the line to get the best matchup. I do think he will be fine at either end and wouldn't be surprised if he moved around, got up in a 2pt, whatever it takes to create the matchup.
That's a good point that I think alot of people are missing. In Miami Taylor lined up all over, and on 3rd downs he can line up at LB as well. He's very versatile.
redsk1 07-21-2008, 10:40 AM I'm not happy about the deal.
The way I look at it is, would I give up Devin Thomas and Durant Brooks for a guy who is likely to play 2 years max?
I would have to say no.
Do we really know what Thomas and Brooks are going to do in the NFL? They are unknown commodities at this point.
Would it be worth it to get a top 5 DE in the league for 2 full seasons? Maybe a HOF? If you can get 2 good years out of Taylor. I'd say that's pretty successful. Taylor is used to getting 10+ sacks a year. That makes our whole D better...the LB's and CB's especially. I'd say they are pretty happy about getting Taylor.
On a % basis, 6th rounders rarely start and don't last long in the NFL.
I think the skins made a good move here.
sandtrapjack 07-21-2008, 10:42 AM People are saying ridiculous things like "what kind of leader goes off dancing....he should be helping his 1-15 team to get better." When dancing with the stars was being filmed there wasn't any team organized training or team organized events that Taylor was somehow skipping out on. If he had been working out at the Dolphins facility at the time, there probably wouldn't have even been anyone else there.
To the contrary, there were several OTA's taking place that he missed. Albiet all were voluntary.
When your highest tenured team leader put's positioning his post-football career over his teams improvement, it just sends the wrong message. When your team is 1-15, those "voluntary" OTA's take on more meaning than if the team was 11-5.
Again, I believe to a certain degree that both parties share blame in the fall-out in Miami.
1.) Parcells needs to relax his sphincter a bit
2.) For Taylor, there are better times to pursue off-seeason commitments outside of football then when your team is 1-15.
PSUSkinsFan21 07-21-2008, 10:42 AM And another thing.......who the F-- is Bill Parcells to criticize anyone? That's guy's been with more teams than I can even keep track of anymore. He's the biggest whore in the NFL. He's the NFL's Larry Brown. He's going to criticize a guy he barely knows who has been the leader of the Dolphins D for over a decade?.....when Parcells has been a member of the Dolphins organization for what?....a couple of days now? Give me a break.
Trivia: What kind of a hack announces that he's leaving his current team the week before they play in the Super Bowl to coach for another team regardless of what his team does in the Super Bowl to steal the whole Super Bowl spotlight? Answer: Bill Parcells. F-- Parcells any every one of his uninformed, unwarranted, and self-righteous opinions.
skinsfan69 07-21-2008, 10:43 AM While I'd agree that one of our first three picks would have been well spent on a DT or DE, we did address needs in the draft. I think given today's situation (independent of draft day), we made a good move. A 2nd and 6th for a top 5 defensive player in the league is well worth it, and Vinny said he's "100% certain Taylor will play more than one year." Taylor has repeatedly said he wants to win more than anything, and now he has a chance to play for a playoff-caliber team in the league's best division. I'd want to retire ASAP too if I had just suffered through that 1-15 debacle. The stage here is different. He's playing closer to his home (Pitt) for a team with a great locker room, an owner with Hollywood pull, and an on the field product capable of a playoff run. I think he'll be happy to play out the last two years of his contract here.
I also think it's very important to point out (while knocking on wood) that Jason Taylor hasn't missed a game since 1999 (he missed 1 that year), and has only missed 4 his entire career. Not to mention he said Dancing With Stars has his flexibility better than it's ever been. Some nice positives there.
I don't think he is a top 5 defensive player right now. In 06 yes, but not now.He's going to be 34 soon. I hope I'm wrong.
To the contrary, there were several OTA's taking place that he missed. Albiet all were voluntary.
When your highest tenured team leader put's positioning his post-football career over his teams improvement, it just sends the wrong message. When your team is 1-15, those "voluntary" OTA's take on more meaning than if the team was 11-5.
Again, I believe to a certain degree that both parties share blame in the fall-out in Miami.
1.) Parcells needs to relax his sphincter a bit
2.) For Taylor, there are better times to pursue off-seeason commitments outside of football then when your team is 1-15.
Unless voluntary suddenly means mandatory then I don't know what the big deal is.
I have a feeling that regardless of what JT did, Parcells was going to look to push him out. Dancing with the stars was a very convenient excuse.
Schneed10 07-21-2008, 10:45 AM I am not sure why some are worried about this? If you remember when the Phins played the Skins last season, Taylor lined up all over the line! If you watched some other Phins games (I know, hard to do) he lines up all over the line to get the best matchup. I do think he will be fine at either end and wouldn't be surprised if he moved around, got up in a 2pt, whatever it takes to create the matchup.
Oh yeah, yous is right. I forgot all about that, he was a menace against us in that game too. Good stuff, that makes me feel even better about the deal.
GTripp0012 07-21-2008, 10:45 AM 3) I am slightly concerned with Taylor being asked to switch from RDE which he played in Miami, to LDE here. It's a slight concern, but I can't imagine he's going to go off for 15 sacks when making that switch.I think for the preseason and the first few games, it's going to feel unnatural to him. But hey, Daniels and Renaldo Wynn both made the same switch and did just fine.
Ultimately, I think the switch will help because he's facing lesser competition against RTs than LTs. The exception is when we play Arizona -- but Carter is going to be on the 'blind' side anyway, so then everything will be flipped.
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