FISA with Telecom Immunity Passed

no one does everything right. i was a Bill Clinton supporter, but think NAFTA is a piece of trash. the democrats have talked about all they were going to accomplish. yet, they have done little/ to nothing. i think he took what he thought was the best piece of legislation that was passable. but you are getting off topic alittle. this is a bad bill for the United States public
I'm not getting off topic. You blamed Bush like he stood alone and your party (I'm assummng by your prior post) had to vote for this bill as well to make it law. We just differ on how we feel about this bill. Now if they could show you examples of how this has helped in the past would you still be against the bill?

i'm not a big fan of stealing liberties either, and we've seen poor oversight, excessive (and pointless) secretiveness (is that a word?) and it's really a shame that one day we're arbitrarily in a constant state of war and the government has the right to do whatever it wants without justification beyond "us vs them" fear mongering.

half of the "improved security" measures are completely worthless or worse. i mean, where are the watchdog groups? the checks and balances?

what i mean by worse than worthless - things like gitmo, which haven't revealed a whole lot, but has become a form of jihadist university doesn't really make us safer, and some of the "trials" were such a sham that the military officers charged with conducting them called time out... and we're not just talking one or two people.

</rant> sorry.

We are becoming very spoiled.

Previous generations were willing to make sacrifices in wartime to succeed. WWII rations so we could fund the operation, women going to work in factories to supply their husbands at war and to raise the families, they felt some personal ties to the war and cared enough to see it all the way to success. In the Civil War, many more sacrifices were made. During the Revolutionary War, EVERYTHING was put at risk for their nation.

Today, we all want to feel unaffected by the fight against our enemies and defense of our freedom. We oppose anything that reminds us we're at war, we focus on the negative and elect people who will even try to undermine our sons, brothers and fathers in harm's way. Before, a lot of these people would rightfully so be found guilty of treason.

Listening in on terrorists and the people communicating with them has NO EFFECT on you if you are not doing it. You are not losing any rights, but if we turn our backs on this fight, you WILL lose rights and maybe your life. Did you enjoy walking around the morning of 09/11 fearing or wondering if your city was next? Did you enjoy losing loved ones on that day (if any of you did)? That day, your freedom was stolen away. Do not selfishly oppose steps needed to make sure we kill the people who want to steal your freedom and life forever...or you'll really know what living under dear and oppression is like.

btw, the whole "get a court order" thing is a sham, cause the courts just rubber stamped everything, so it really didn't provide any oversight or checks on power.

This is probably the most unpatriotic post I've read........EVER! We have rights dude! Noone can just kick open our doors and search our home, unless there is a warrant of some kind. Its called rights! I believe Thomas Jefferson went even further and called them "unalienable rights endowed by our creator".

Let me back up. Lets say that..............I get busted for possesion of something illegal. They tell me that they'll give me a deal if I cooperate. So, I say that guy gave it to me. In fact that guy gives this stuff to ALOT of people. You can find him at such and such a place.

Without a "court order" they kick open your door, ransack your house and come up empty.............I was full of crud the WHOLE TIME. I have a hard time believing that wouldn't piss you off! I have a even harder time believing that you wouldn't be screaming about your rights being violated!

no one does everything right. i was a Bill Clinton supporter, but think NAFTA is a piece of trash. the democrats have talked about all they were going to accomplish. yet, they have done little/ to nothing. i think he took what he thought was the best piece of legislation that was passable. but you are getting off topic alittle. this is a bad bill for the United States public
You could also say that everything started heading south when they took control two years ago. Just had to add that. LOL

You could also say that everything started heading south when they took control two years ago. Just had to add that. LOL
do you really believe this? it started almost 8 years ago, when Bush had control of congress. and carte blanche to do as he pleased. he definitely earned whatever is said about him. and BTW, the Dow dipped below 11,000. in case you haven't noticed

and buster, i think the biggest difference is that today, people just do not trust their elected officials. back then, it seemed like we as a country knew that congress, and the president, always had our best interests in mind. can we really say that now?

We are becoming very spoiled.

Previous generations were willing to make sacrifices in wartime to succeed. WWII rations so we could fund the operation, women going to work in factories to supply their husbands at war and to raise the families, they felt some personal ties to the war and cared enough to see it all the way to success. In the Civil War, many more sacrifices were made. During the Revolutionary War, EVERYTHING was put at risk for their nation.

Today, we all want to feel unaffected by the fight against our enemies and defense of our freedom. We oppose anything that reminds us we're at war, we focus on the negative and elect people who will even try to undermine our sons, brothers and fathers in harm's way. Before, a lot of these people would rightfully so be found guilty of treason.

Listening in on terrorists and the people communicating with them has NO EFFECT on you if you are not doing it. You are not losing any rights, but if we turn our backs on this fight, you WILL lose rights and maybe your life. Did you enjoy walking around the morning of 09/11 fearing or wondering if your city was next? Did you enjoy losing loved ones on that day (if any of you did)? That day, your freedom was stolen away. Do not selfishly oppose steps needed to make sure we kill the people who want to steal your freedom and life forever...or you'll really know what living under dear and oppression is like.

Our freedom wasn't taken away that day! I remember that day pretty well AND the days after! So well that I remember "OUR FLAG WAS STILL THERE". There was one on top of the rubble in New York and another one draped over the side of the pentagon................Our flag was still there. So was our country! And therefore our freedom was too! Saying anything different is being stupid.

do you really believe this? it started almost 8 years ago, when Bush had control of congress. and carte blanche to do as he pleased. he definitely earned whatever is said about him. and BTW, the Dow dipped below 11,000. in case you haven't noticed

The Dow was way up just a few years ago, uneployment was way down, gas was still not too high, housing market was booming and it all seemed to start dropping a few years back when the dems won control.

The Dow was way up just a few years ago, uneployment was way down, gas was still not too high, housing market was booming and it all seemed to start dropping a few years back when the dems won control.

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