Update: Wizards Keep Jamison, Arenas

too much haterade...

too much haterade...

LOL.
Well, to me, I look at your team as one that is almost there. You have had 41-45 wins in EACH of the past 4 seasons, but what are you doing to take it to the next level?
You are about to enter into some serious salary cap issues that you won't be able to get rid of.
The Celtics had this problem for years too, and up until this season overspent for people that couldn't help them. If you go down this road with Arenas, you need to be CERTAIN he can lead you to the promised land. You live and die by him.

LOL.
Well, to me, I look at your team as one that is almost there. You have had 41-45 wins in EACH of the past 4 seasons, but what are you doing to take it to the next level?You're right. I wish another GM would trade us a former MVP for pennies on the dollar, but that never happens. Oh, wait...

What people aren't understanding that the two players you are signing (Jamison and Arenas) can't shoot for crap! Jamison (who, correct me if I am wrong is a PF) has one of the worst PF fg% in all the league at .436% last year. But he is a versitale "big man", so I understand signing him. Arenas on the other hand played in only 13 games (started only 8), and had a .398 fg%, and his career fg% is only .427%. This is a classic case of looking at only his points per game average the last two years and going nutts. You say it's the market, well, if that's the case, the market is pretty damned stupid. He's not worth it, and if the Wizards were smart, they would let him go and sign someone for A LOT less. You could get Davis cheaper, and he's a lot less selfish and creates more opportunities for his teammates. He has a similar fg%, but he's better from 3, and a much better defender.

Arenas is also three years younger (if not more) than Davis, and since when is Davis the better 3 point shooter?

Arenas is also three years younger (if not more) than Davis, and since when is Davis the better 3 point shooter?

Arenas will be 27 in January, at that same time, Davis will be 29. About a 2.5 year difference in age.
About the 3 point shooting, you are right. Arenas just had a worse year albeit an injury shortened season.

So are you saying Davis is too old? I think their ages are non factors.

ps- if Davis wants 100+ mil over 6 years, I think that's too much for him too. The whole point of my conversation here is to say that Arenas is wanting too much, even for the market. You already have a poor shooter on your team (jamison), well actually two, (stevenson .386%), you can't afford to have your two best players BOTH suck from the field, and worse 3 out of 4 suck from the field.

Oh yeah, and if you're going to keep both those guys who can't hit the ocean if they were standing in the middle of it, then at least go sign some players that specialize in offensive rebounds.
Great offense is only great if they are effecient.

Arenas can't shoot? Huh?? He's a threat to hit a game winner on any given night, and Jamison is aging like a fine wine, coming off his best season as a pro. Only Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard had more double-doubles last season than Antawn. Oh, and we definitely didn't overpay for Jamison. He's making $4M+ less than last year, and the 76ers, Grizzlies, and Clippers were interested in his services and all have a lot of money to spend.

You can't judge Gilbert by last year- he barely played and when he did he wasn't even close to healthy. In the '05-06 and '06-'07 seasons he was top 3 or 4 in scoring an emerged as one of the elite players in the game, including clutch outside shooting and as quick a first step as anyone in the game. I know you're drunk off the Celtics buying their first ring in 22 years, but put down the spiked haterade.

ESPN is reporting both Golden State and the Wiz have offered Gilbert a max value contract....

Arenas can't shoot? Huh?? He's a threat to hit a game winner on any given night, and Jamison is aging like a fine wine, coming off his best season as a pro. Only Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard had more double-doubles last season than Antawn. Oh, and we definitely didn't overpay for Jamison. He's making $4M+ less than last year, and the 76ers, Grizzlies, and Clippers were interested in his services and all have a lot of money to spend.

You can't judge Gilbert by last year- he barely played and when he did he wasn't even close to healthy. In the '05-06 and '06-'07 seasons he was top 3 or 4 in scoring an emerged as one of the elite players in the game, including clutch outside shooting and as quick a first step as anyone in the game. I know you're drunk off the Celtics buying their first ring in 22 years, but put down the spiked haterade.

ESPN is reporting both Golden State and the Wiz have offered Gilbert a max value contract....

You think shooting 42% for a career is a good shooter? Seriously??????
In 06-07 when he averaged 28.4 ppg, he had a MISERABLE .418% from the field. That's disgusting. Especially considering he isn't creating enough opportunities for his teammates with only 6 assists per game (career average only 5.5).

About Jamison, go back and read my posts, I said I understand signing Jamison for his versaility, but you can't have multiple poor shooters as your best two players. ANY player in the NBA can score 28 ppg if you allow them to shoot enough. Antoine Walker is a prime example. He never saw a shot he didn't like, and he hurt the C's for many years, but people, like yourself, saw the PPG and thought he was good. He wasn't. You will handcuff yourself with these contracts and won't be able to do anything to move. But hey, if you're satisfied with 41-45 wins a season, then more power to you. I think it's time to shake things up a little. Getting rid of a max contract like Arenas is a perfect way to do it. He's overrated.

I know you're drunk off the Celtics buying their first ring in 22 years, but put down the spiked haterade.

That's funny. It stinks of jealousy, but it's funny.
Keep in mind the NBA skrewed the C's with the "lottery" when we missed out of Duncan and last year when we should have had a top 2 pick and got the 5th. The NBA has dumb rules in place, so they circumvented the rules and got serious talent to win it all. And don't act all high and mighty, if you could go out and get two key free agents to win it all you would too.

You would think that SOMEONE that put down the C's here would come out and come clean about their dumb comments, but I guess that won't happen cause jealousy is ugly.

I would not mind for one minute to see the Wizards succeed, mainly cause they have always sucked, and I like underdogs, but they can't keep the same approach and think it will work.

Just one more point...Jamison aging like fine wine? So having the WORST fg% in his career is a good thing? How about his worst 3 pt% in 5 years? Yes, he puts up good points / rebounds, but the point of the game is to get the ball in the hoop. The more you miss the basket, the more the other team has an ability to beat you. 3 of your top 4 players like to miss the basket a lot. You CAN'T win like that. Go look at all the previous champions. I'm not trying to being a jerk, I'm pointing out a glaring problem that you guys aren't seeing. But hey, whatever, we'll have this discussion again next year.

The really funny thing is over the years, and Iam dating back to the bird years, the Bullets/ Wizards have always given the Celtics fits. Even this year we lost back to back games to the Wizards.

You think shooting 42% for a career is a good shooter? Seriously??????
In 06-07 when he averaged 28.4 ppg, he had a MISERABLE .418% from the field. That's disgusting. Especially considering he isn't creating enough opportunities for his teammates with only 6 assists per game (career average only 5.5).

About Jamison, go back and read my posts, I said I understand signing Jamison for his versaility, but you can't have multiple poor shooters as your best two players. ANY player in the NBA can score 28 ppg if you allow them to shoot enough. Antoine Walker is a prime example. He never saw a shot he didn't like, and he hurt the C's for many years, but people, like yourself, saw the PPG and thought he was good. He wasn't. You will handcuff yourself with these contracts and won't be able to do anything to move. But hey, if you're satisfied with 41-45 wins a season, then more power to you. I think it's time to shake things up a little. Getting rid of a max contract like Arenas is a perfect way to do it. He's overrated.



That's funny. It stinks of jealousy, but it's funny.
Keep in mind the NBA skrewed the C's with the "lottery" when we missed out of Duncan and last year when we should have had a top 2 pick and got the 5th. The NBA has dumb rules in place, so they circumvented the rules and got serious talent to win it all. And don't act all high and mighty, if you could go out and get two key free agents to win it all you would too.

You would think that SOMEONE that put down the C's here would come out and come clean about their dumb comments, but I guess that won't happen cause jealousy is ugly.

I would not mind for one minute to see the Wizards succeed, mainly cause they have always sucked, and I like underdogs, but they can't keep the same approach and think it will work.

Just one more point...Jamison aging like fine wine? So having the WORST fg% in his career is a good thing? How about his worst 3 pt% in 5 years? Yes, he puts up good points / rebounds, but the point of the game is to get the ball in the hoop. The more you miss the basket, the more the other team has an ability to beat you. 3 of your top 4 players like to miss the basket a lot. You CAN'T win like that. Go look at all the previous champions. I'm not trying to being a jerk, I'm pointing out a glaring problem that you guys aren't seeing. But hey, whatever, we'll have this discussion again next year.

The last time Arenas, Butler, and Jamison were all healthy for an extended period (basically half a season), the Wizards had the best record in the Eastern conference. The fact is is that the Wizards can be a very good team when all three are healthy. Yes a big if, but that's how we like to roll with our sports teams here in DC. K?

The last time Arenas, Butler, and Jamison were all healthy for an extended period (basically half a season), the Wizards had the best record in the Eastern conference. The fact is is that the Wizards can be a very good team when all three are healthy. Yes a big if, but that's how we like to roll with our sports teams here in DC. K?

HAHA...ok man.

Like I said, I have absolutely nothing against the Wizards. I was REALLY pulling for you when Jordan was there (the greatest player ever, not the coach). I really think DC needs to win again. All DC has ever really had is the Skins, and we all want to see them win again.
I actually like the city...I hate the politics (people are way too crazy about it there) but the city is a pleasure to be in, the people are nice (for the most part), and they are knowledgable fans that deserve to win more than say L.A., N.Y., or any other city outside of Boston. :D

About having the best team for half a season...well the SKins had the best team in the latter part of 07, but you see where that got us right? This is why we play a full season. The wizards are VERY athletic, and quite frankly, fun to watch, but they need a key player that can hit 50% of his shots.

I wouldn't be making these comments if I didn't want to see them win. (not at the expense of Boston, but you get my point.)