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Slingin Sammy 33 06-03-2008, 01:52 PM Monk's now in the Hall, so I think we can put away the Monk hyperbole now. No need to compare him to Jerry Rice or say he was the greatest receiver of all-time. He's a HOFer, but not the greatest to ever play the game. He's probably not even the greatest receiver to ever play for the Redskins, he'd probably rank second to Charley Taylor.
Monk is fantastic and I'm going to Canton in Aug to see the induction, but he might be third behind Taylor and Bobby Mitchell.
Monkeydad 06-03-2008, 02:05 PM Monk's now in the Hall, so I think we can put away the Monk hyperbole now. No need to compare him to Jerry Rice or say he was the greatest receiver of all-time. He's a HOFer, but not the greatest to ever play the game. He's probably not even the greatest receiver to ever play for the Redskins, he'd probably rank second to Charley Taylor.
But he has had a better career than Randy Moss. That's the argument.
RIGGO/NYC 06-03-2008, 02:14 PM Monk is one of my all time favorites and I hate R. Moss, but he has the all-time single season TD mark, the rookie record for yards, and he is arguably the most feared WR by D coordinators in the history of the NFL. Most D-coordinators from Monks era concede that they feared G. Clark more than Monk. Moss also has more yards than Monk in his carreer (I think). Point is Monk should not be considered for best WR of all time if I am going to be objective, which people voting on that poll are not being, hence Darren Woodson over Ronie Lott. Bullshit Poll! F*** the Cowgirls!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SFREDSKIN 06-03-2008, 02:49 PM Monk is one of my all time favorites and I hate R. Moss, but he has the all-time single season TD mark, the rookie record for yards, and he is arguably the most feared WR by D coordinators in the history of the NFL. Most D-coordinators from Monks era concede that they feared G. Clark more than Monk. Moss also has more yards than Monk in his carreer (I think). Point is Monk should not be considered for best WR of all time if I am going to be objective, which people voting on that poll are not being, hence Darren Woodson over Ronie Lott. Bullshit Poll! F*** the Cowgirls!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think if you were to ask Ronnie Lott who he feared most Art Monk or Randy Moss (I don't remember if he played when Lott was around) his answer would be Monk. Monk always did well against the Niners whom a lot of people call the best team ever (that's for debate, 70's Steelers hands down own that recognition).
Slingin Sammy 33 06-03-2008, 03:42 PM This list from SIRIUS has some "serious" (bad pun, sorry) flaws:
1) Reggie White is a DE, not DT and IMO the best of all time with Deacon Jones second. How can the DE list not include Carl Eller or Harvey Martin, who was better than "Too Tall" Jones. Lee Roy Selmon was also not considered.
2) Where's Merlin Olsen on the DT list. You normally don't leave 14-time Pro Bowlers off an All-Time Greats list.
3) How can neither Mike Haynes or Lester Hayes, probably the best CB tandem of all time, not be on the CB list. I don't recall Wehrli, his stats are good, but I'm not sure how he won this. Darrell Green, Deion and Haynes would all get my vote before Wehrli. Blount is not a bad selection. Champ Bailey should've also been considered, more INTs than Wehrli and more Pro Bowls.
4) Hard to argue with Munoz, but Dierdorf and Pace should've been dropped in favor of Jacoby, Gary Zimmerman and Forrest Gregg. I would've voted Munoz & Zimmerman.
5) Cross sucks and shouldn't be on the list at Guard. I can't stand him and he sucks as a talking-head too. Cross and Allen should've been dumped for Grimm and Fralic from Atlanta. Hannah and Upshaw would've been my choices.
6) At Center, Webster was pretty darn good. And as much as I can't stand Cross, he does at least deserve to be on the list here.
7) At TE they could've at least spelled Gonzalez' name right. They should've dropped Bavaro and added Dave Casper. Winslow, Casper, Newsome and Gonzalez are all better than Sharpe. Tough call on the best between those four though.
8) Rice is hard to argue against as much as I can't stand him. Moss has put up consistent +1000 yd seasons and lead the NFL in receiving TDs 4 times (I believe). Aside from his down years in OAK he is hard to argue against. I would've dropped Maynard and added Charley Taylor to the list, Paul Warfield and Raymond Berry should've also been considered.
As usual these polls are a popularity contest with Cowgirls fans coming out of the wood-work to vote on these things. I agree with SC Skins Fan, any Cowgirl fan with no real ties to Dallas or TX should be sent back into the closets they all hide in when the "Girls" are having a bad season.
killromo 06-04-2008, 10:19 AM This list from SIRIUS has some "serious" (bad pun, sorry) flaws:
As usual these polls are a popularity contest with Cowgirls fans coming out of the wood-work to vote on these things. I agree with SC Skins Fan, any Cowgirl fan with no real ties to Dallas or TX should be sent back into the closets they all hide in when the "Girls" are having a bad season.
Agreed. The cowboys are really starting to piss me off even more than usual with the preferential treatment they receive from everything to these pointless polls to the way Pacman was forgiven all of a sudden when he became a cowboy. He would have continued down his path to WWE sideshow had the cowboys not picked him up. F* the cowboys and all their shallow fans. My blood is boiling now; I need to get off here and back to work.
Ade Jimoh Fan Club 06-04-2008, 02:06 PM I know he hasn't "technically" played in the NFL yet, but Durant Brooks should be in the conversation. He's going to be the-best-punter-of-all-tiiiiiiiiiiiime!
Warren85Ellard 06-04-2008, 04:16 PM I enjoy Sirius NFL Radio, but these polls are 100% bogus. Look no further than the fact that Darren Woodson is currently dominating all challengers for "Greatest Saftey of All-Time". Woodson is the will be the 'greatest saftey' for the same reason that the Cowboys had 13 Pro Bowlers last year. Simply put, the world has too many Cowboy fans. Any Cowboy fan lacking some direct connection to the Dallas-Fortworth area by blood or geography should be purged from the Earth in my very humble opinion.
I agree 100%. Have you seen Beer League?
YouTube - Artie Lange's Thoughts on the Dallas Cowboys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fafoP9iMgpk)
Cowell 06-05-2008, 08:19 AM I agree 100%. Have you seen Beer League?
YouTube - Artie Lange's Thoughts on the Dallas Cowboys (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fafoP9iMgpk)
I had completely forgot about that movie. Not so great a movie, but I remember that line had me laughing for at least five minutes straight.
starzzz 06-07-2008, 11:38 PM Agreed. The cowboys are really starting to piss me off even more than usual with the preferential treatment they receive from everything to these pointless polls to the way Pacman was forgiven all of a sudden when he became a cowboy. He would have continued down his path to WWE sideshow had the cowboys not picked him up. F* the cowboys and all their shallow fans. My blood is boiling now; I need to get off here and back to work.I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.
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