Time to extend Jason Campbell?

Honestly I don't think I have seen enough from JC to call him the long-term solution just yet. He still has a few kinks that need to be worked out, and most importantly he needs to win. I say we wait at least another year before we extend on JC.

The impression I've gotten from the Redskins community is that theres three main views on Jason.

1. Jason Campbell sucks and ended up being a waste of a 1st round pick, Colt Brenen/Todd Collins is the future
2. Jason Campbell is like, the best Quarterback in the NFL
3. Jason Campbell is still developing but he's going to be good

I'm obviously fall under the third group, and why not? QB's take a while to develop and a 77 QB rating for a QB in his second year as a starter isn't bad at all. Of course I would have loved to see Campbell hit 85, but theres still a chance this year with an improved offense and a great QB coach for JC to take the next step in his development. Personally I think theres a good amount of teams around the league that would like to have JC as their starting QB. He probably won't end up being Peyton Manning, but he seems to be developing at a rate where he will have a nice long career in this league.

Your statements make you sound like a typical uneducated fan. The offense struggles so it must be the QBs fault. The offense puts up 35 points...it must be the "great QB". Unless of course Campbell is the QB, then he's just dumb (sarcasm).

Collins only started due to JC's injury. Gibbs traditionally doesn't start rookie QBs, so the first year JC really had little to no chance to see the field other than by injury. So your statement about Brunell/Collins starting 2/3 of the games since Campbell has been here, while close to factually accurate, doesn't paint the correct picture.

Gibbs and Saunders offenses come from the "Air Coryell" tree. The Air Coryell and WCO are not similar at all.

Lloyd and ARE were both Saunders guys.

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"The free agents had to be able to get deep, to draw enough attention from linebackers, corners and safeties to give mercurial Santana Moss more man-to-man coverage or make room for Cooley's new, deeper pass routes. Once the defense is spread, Portis' chances of gashing them with breakaway runs would increase dramatically.
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Gibbs and Saunders offenses come from the "Air Coryell" tree. The Air Coryell and WCO are not similar at all.


Please learn to comprehend, the comparison of the offenses was to show the similarities between Gibbs, and Saunders so to rule out the new offense excuse that is constantly used for Campbell, it wasnt a drastically changed new offense, every coach will have variations on how a specific offense is run, but the foundation of the offense is the same. JUST LIKE THE WCO OFFENSE WHICH IS A BASIC PHILOSOPHY BUT VARIES FROM COACH TO COACH.

Who cares why Collins was starting? He did, and he ran the offense far beyond anything we have seen from Campbell, and Collins is a nobody in the realm of NFL QB's. Which brings us back to Campbells ability to run an NFL offense efficiently, and he hasn't so far.

The offense struggles so it must be the QBs fault. The offense puts up 35 points...it must be the "great QB". Unless of course Campbell is the QB, then he's just dumb (sarcasm).


So when did Campbell put up 35 points? But I guess you have figured out that it was all the WR's fault, the same WR's who actually started to produce when Collins took over.

It sounds to me like you have Campbell figured out to be something more than he has shown, he is what he is, a 4th year QB who has performed so far very sub par.

The impression I've gotten from the Redskins community is that theres three main views on Jason.

1. Jason Campbell sucks and ended up being a waste of a 1st round pick, Colt Brenen/Todd Collins is the future
2. Jason Campbell is like, the best Quarterback in the NFL
3. Jason Campbell is still developing but he's going to be good

I'm obviously fall under the third group, and why not? QB's take a while to develop and a 77 QB rating for a QB in his second year as a starter isn't bad at all. Of course I would have loved to see Campbell hit 85, but theres still a chance this year with an improved offense and a great QB coach for JC to take the next step in his development. Personally I think theres a good amount of teams around the league that would like to have JC as their starting QB. He probably won't end up being Peyton Manning, but he seems to be developing at a rate where he will have a nice long career in this league.

Right now I would put myself in the 1 catagory above. It looks like Jason Campbell will be a bust just like the other Quarterbacks in his class (Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers). His QB rating, # of wins and game losing interceptions tell the story pretty well. However, we should give him one last shot and see what he can do as the starter for the entire season. Remember Eli Manning look like a bust early in his career but in year four he helped lead his team to the Super Bowl and win it. Jason Campbell is now in his fourth year just like Manning was when he won.

To be fair collins has been in saunders offense for what? 7 years or so?

not to mention jc's been on the opposite spectrum of that, hes had a different offense to learn 7 years

I'm more inclined to say no. As much as I hope that Jason is the answer at qb, he has yet to instill that confidence at the position. This is his 4th year to show massive improvement from years past. Barring any injury he should be given every opportuntiy to do well. But, it depends on him, he killed us at the end of games with untimely ints., and that does nothing to prove to your teamates that you can come from behind and win games. He also needs to manage games better, and hopefully with a new coaching philosyphy that can be done. This season will be a litmus test for him and others.

not to mention jc's been on the opposite spectrum of that, hes had a different offense to learn 7 years

I think that storyline is overplayed. The guy can either do it or not. There shouldn't be a qualifier excuse if he doesn't pan out. Either the guy can adapt to his surroundings or not.

Any professional quarterback should have certain intangibles that he can bring to any offense. He's getting paid a professional salary, he should be able to adapt without excuses.

I've never heard Campbell complain about it himself and I don't like idea of people making exuses on his behalf.

Please learn to comprehend, the comparison of the offenses was to show the similarities between Gibbs, and Saunders so to rule out the new offense excuse that is constantly used for Campbell, it wasnt a drastically changed new offense, every coach will have variations on how a specific offense is run, but the foundation of the offense is the same. JUST LIKE THE WCO OFFENSE WHICH IS A BASIC PHILOSOPHY BUT VARIES FROM COACH TO COACH.

Who cares why Collins was starting? He did, and he ran the offense far beyond anything we have seen from Campbell, and Collins is a nobody in the realm of NFL QB's. Which brings us back to Campbells ability to run an NFL offense efficiently, and he hasn't so far.



So when did Campbell put up 35 points? But I guess you have figured out that it was all the WR's fault, the same WR's who actually started to produce when Collins took over.

It sounds to me like you have Campbell figured out to be something more than he has shown, he is what he is, a 4th year QB who has performed so far very sub par.


When did Collins put up 35 points? He had 5 TD in four games. The Giants game he had zero TD's. You have a QB with a 102 rating only putting up only 5 TD in four games? Look at Brady, Manning, and even Romo. They have put up 4 TDs in one game. Lets be real the offense was horrible last year. The play calling was horrible whether Collins or Campbell was in the game.

I don't think Sammy was just blaming the WR's. I think he was saying Campbell had a lot of help with those seven losses.

Also the WR's were healthy when they played with Collins.

Also Campbell wasn't the only skins QB who struggled with Saunders offense, Brunell struggled also.

When did Collins put up 35 points? He had 5 TD in four games. The Giants game he had zero TD's. You have a QB with a 102 rating only putting up only 5 TD in four games? Look at Brady, Manning, and even Romo. They have put up 4 TDs in one game. Lets be real the offense was horrible last year. The play calling was horrible whether Collins or Campbell was in the game.

I don't think Sammy was just blaming the WR's. I think he was saying Campbell had a lot of help with those seven losses.

Also the WR's were healthy when they played with Collins.

Also Campbell wasn't the only skins QB who struggled with Saunders offense, Brunell struggled also.

Just more excuses, bottom line, Collins moved the ball and Campbell couldn't, and your really not helping campbells cause with the Brunell comparisons.