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Skinny Tee 04-28-2008, 03:18 PM <<I'm getting the vibe that people are very willing right now to throw out the possibility that this draft might not look as good in three years as it does right now.>>
Three years? Wait three months...most of these guys will not make the team. My two cents...but I realize I am in the minority.
???...I willing to bet our first three choices will make the team this year. I'm not saying they will start but will be on the roster come this time next year. That's just the 2nd round.
Only 3 guys made the team last year, Landry (1st), Blades(6th) and Heyer(UDFA). We'll have the same amount as last year with just our first three picks, lordwilling. We still have Reinhart (3rd) and Tyron (4th) that were drafted a whole 2 round earlier than Blades and Blades seemed to make the team just fine.
With our draft picks this year being in the higher rounds we should have a better chance at having more guys make the squad. I'm not going to speculate their performances but the power is in the numbers.
HOGTIMUS PRIME 04-28-2008, 03:23 PM Yeah, overall I liked how he handled it. Now if next year, he uses 3 of the first picks on WR's, then I'll be pissed.
Well lets hope WR's are not tops on VC'c board.
celts32 04-28-2008, 03:24 PM I agree with SmootSmack on VC pretty much. My main issue with VC over the years is that he never seemed to be accountable for any of the mistakes the Redksins have made under Snyder. Countless others took the fall while he remained. Now there seems to be a clear chain of command with VC at the top and we will see how he responds. I do like the early returns from this weekend.
HOGTIMUS PRIME 04-28-2008, 03:25 PM Yeah I heard Kiper remark a couple of times this weekend that he thinks Vinny's strength is evaluating talent.
I like that we finally have someone in place that we know is calling the shots and can be accountable for what we do personnel-wise.
And here it is I thought it was brown noseing Dan.
HOGTIMUS PRIME 04-28-2008, 03:30 PM The teams you mentioned also had great lines. Look what happened to Brady when he finally got pressured. Moss didn't make a difference. All these guys had time to look over the defense and wait for someone to get open. You can only do that with a great offensive line. Without it, you better have John Elway.
You got that right! Great offensive lines win championships, they make everyone around them better not the other way around.
dmek25 04-28-2008, 03:31 PM 04-28-2008, 01:03 PM
Dude from reading your recent posts all I can say is you are a complete bitch.
this is hysterical
HOGTIMUS PRIME 04-28-2008, 03:33 PM I am not amazed at all that people on this site now love the experts and think they are experts because they gave the Skins high marks (thereby agreeing with what they think as fans). Had the experts given the Skins low marks these same people would have called the experts idiots with an anti-Redskins bias. Its the same old stuff, if they agree with me they are smart and if they dont they are idiots.
Hitting the nail on the head! Well done!:thumb:
Slingin Sammy 33 04-28-2008, 03:35 PM I mean, there's the train of thought that you filled a critical need cheaply, but you have to ask yourself if the need was actually filled, and at what cost. Yes, the "red zone weapons" need was filled, but it cost THREE second round draft picks. Was the red zone weapons need worth three second round draft picks? A rational person would say no.
I think who we didn't draft is a very critical factor in evaluating a draft. If it wasn't, no one would every have a bad draft. I'm not advocating hindsight three years from now if Calais Campbell becomes an all-pro. That's pretty pointless. I'm looking at a roster that is seven deep with competent receivers, and I'm just thinking to myself, as we all should be:
Fact: Wide Receivers and Tight Ends don't have the impact on the game to make the offense score ten more points per game than it did last season. People don't have any clue what they are talking about. That's just not the way things work.
What we didn't do was add any significant help for a front seven that is starting 4 players over the age of thirty, and a 5th next year when Andre Carter hits 30. That matters. It really does.
Yes, we can address those needs next year, but do you have any confidence that we will?
I wouldn't classify the three 2nd rounders as exclusively "Red Zone" threats. Thomas runs a 4.4, Davis can stretch the middle of the field, and Kelly while initially may be a "Red Zone" guy, should develop into A. Boldin-lite as long as he doesn't act like a whiny-baby.
I agree with your point about improving the offensive point production not being done by a single WR. However if you give a developing QB three more large targets that can make plays on the ball, that will definitely help keep drives alive and compensate for inaccuracy as JC learns the system and improves. I think two major factors in the improvement to our offense will be a combination of Zorn's playcalling and JCs improved play.
We did address the OL with the 3rd rounder and some of the UDFAs. I'll wager Buges develops at least one of the UDFAs into a solid back-up. DL & LB is still a concern that I share with you.
I was hoping for DL to be addressed early, then WR later, but unfortuantely the draft didn't play out that way. Merling was taken right before our #34 pick by Miami, (based on SS's G2 we may have gone with Thomas even if Merling was there). Trevor Laws was taken a pick or two before our # 48, Harrison, DT, Ark was taken shortly before our 3rd or 4th rounder. So VC & crew went with "best available" and I thought addressed needs pretty well on Day 2.
irish 04-28-2008, 03:37 PM You got that right! Great offensive lines win championships, they make everyone around them better not the other way around.
You arew 100% correct. Everyone (except the Skins, even though they used to know it) knows that you build a team from the inside out. That means having strong O & D lines and then filling in around them. All the successful teams have done it that way and I doubt that formula for success will change anytime soon.
Slingin Sammy 33 04-28-2008, 03:59 PM You arew 100% correct. Everyone (except the Skins, even though they used to know it) knows that you build a team from the inside out. That means having strong O & D lines and then filling in around them. All the successful teams have done it that way and I doubt that formula for success will change anytime soon.
Really? Let's come out of the 80's glory years and look at recent history.
QB is the key to everything. In today's NFL you win with a great QB.
Patriots: got Brady and built around him, their OL & DL haven't been filled with Pro-Bowlers during their successful run.
Indy: Manning, then fill in the pieces
Steelers: couldn't get over the hump until Big Ben arrived and when he struggled, no matter how good the OL & DL are, they struggled.
Seattle: solid, but playoff caliber when Hasselbeck put it together.
Green Bay: One of the better OL & DL, but Favre sucks, they suck. Favre plays well they go deep into the playoffs.
Dallas: (as much as I hate it) very solid OL & front 7, Romo goes to Mexico with Jess and they choke.
Jaguars: I'd argue they have the best OL & front 7 in the NFL. They can't get over the hump. Garrard's play improves and now they are on the cusp of doing something special.
Bears: outside of the miracle D in 2006, with no QB, they struggle.
How does this apply to us? JC is coming to the point where it is $hit or get off the pot. Zorn needed to get him the weapons to be successful. JC should have learned the system and be primed for a Pro-Bowl performance in 2009, the receivers should be ready in 2009 after a year to adjust to the NFL and learn the system. Even if we have an average OL / DL, JC playing at a Pro-Bowl level with the weapons the FO has provided should put us deep in the playoffs.
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